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  • Civ 4 the List: The AI

    Introduction

    The AI. What often makes a computer game playable, if it's made properly. This is the place to read for finding ideas relating to this concept.

    -List Threadmaster Nikolai

    Summary

    All in all, the thing people are most interested in, is a more "intelligent" AI. An AI that can defend itself, attack in a smart way, recognize a good deal when it sees it etc. People clearly think the AI isn't nearly as good as it should be.

    Index

    1 - AI Madness
    2 - Automation
    3 - Treatment of Civs
    4 - AI Performance
    5 - Treatment of military matters
    6 - Diplomacy
    7 - Modability
    Conclusion

    The Ideas

    1 - AI Madness

    1.1 Aggressiveness

    Currently, the game is too prone to AI madness.
    For example, one AI will suggest- "EVERYONE DECLARE WAR ON PLAYER!”

    and the others will automatically agree. Or perhaps the player will utilize this exploit, as is shown in this example and screw the other computer players:

    "Everyone please declare war on Russia. Remember, Russia is going to nuke all of your cities since you’re a lot closer to it than I am" - Player.

    Instead, the computer should see this and realize it and decide-

    "Uh, no. How about we declare war on you instead? - AI" (Posted By Comrade Tassadar; Heavily Edited by DarkCloud)

    1.2 - No unit movement without a reason

    One thing: the AI should NOT move its units all over the place for no reason. It's really completely silly to see the AI constantly move its stuff for no reason... (ed (darkcloud): and in addition to wasting player time; it’s bad coding left over from Civ II. Can’t the AI make a decision and stick with it- thereby completing a task? The GOTO commands do seem to work quite well in this regard. Instead of being scrapped completely, this should be heavily revamped because if the AI doesn’t have a plan for each unit- then it would become much easier for the player to win while also making for a more tedious game.)
     (Posted by Trifna)

    2 - Automation

    2.1 - Units and cities

    I want to be able to automate settlers to build cities in good spots without worrying about them, but I don't want those cities to automatically go on governor like in SMAC. I want automated land units and transports to work together, if they don't already.
    (Posted By Brent)

    3 - Treatment of civs

    3.1 - Treat all civs alike

    I really hope they make the AI stop treating the player differently from the other civs. It's the only thing that really bothered me in Civ3. It can't be that hard to code a proper AI, hire better programmers if you can't do it They did it in Galactic Civilizations (granted, it's a different game). For me it really breaks the mood of the game when you notice that the AI-civs gradually start giving you crappier deals even if it would hurt them more. And for no apparent reason. Theoretically, in the deity level, it shouldn't be too hard to code the AI to make "best possible" moves and give them a long term plan according to their civilization characteristics.
    (Posted By KorvaKikkeli)

    3.2 - Small civs vs big civs

    Fear and domination. I find it wierd when a 2 city Civ right at my doorstep refuses my demands. The AI should be adjusted so that these weak Civs can be "controlled" and manipulated by larger one's without losing their independence.
    (Posted by Strider_479)

    4 - AI performance

    4.1 - Overall AI performance

    The AI should be able to handle every concept of the game with a decent skill
    (Posted By TheBirdMan)

    Make it better!
    (Posted by skywalker)

    4.2 - Adaptive AI

    One idea I have seen being suggested is altering the AI's priorities, based on your actions.
    For example; if start researching tech x each time you start and get it first because the AI never really was interested in it, it would change it's behaviour to start 'copying' your style and try to beat you at your own game. Therefore ruining your playing style and forcing you to change your game. (this will probably be more effective on higher levels then on, say chieftan but it a start)
    (Posted by alva)

    4.3 - Harder on higher levels

    On a Diety, or whatever they decide to call the highest level, the AI should be able to beat me, the worst Civ player ever.
    (Posted by POTUS)

    4.4 - AI recognizing reasons to events

    Give the AI the ability to recognize if events leading to deals with them getting canceled were out of your control or deliberately player-caused.

    I'm tired of trading with one computer civ only to have some crazy war break out somewhere that disrupts my trade route with them. After this no other civs will trade with me; they're all "RAR WE REMEMBER WHAT YOU DID TO FRANCE WE'RE NOT DUMB SO WE'LL NEVER TRADE WITH YOU"
    (Posted by ixnay)

    4.5 - Multi-threaded AI

    Perhaps that to consider a multi-threaded AI like in GalCiv would be a good idea. In the case of GalCiv, it permits an overall better AI.
    (Posted by Trifna)

    It makes a huge difference, and should DEFINATLY be done.
    (Posted by Fosse)

    4.6 - Variable AI

    A good way to simulate this might be to have a variable ai...so at random times for periods of 20-40 turns the ai of a civ will move up a difficulty level, and a t random times for a period of 20-40 turns the ai of a civ would go down a difficulty level. You could maybe tie this in with the first suggestion - during its golden ages the ai goes up one difficulty level and in its dark ages it goes down a difficulty level. All this would occur pretty much in the background and be fairly unnoticeable to the player (although dark/golden age notification for other civs as a popup/newspaper would be cool.)
    (Posted by Comrade Raoul)

    4.7 - Respect borders

    The AI needs to respect borders. If I'm in their territory I get 1 "OK, I'll leave" and then it's "Leave or war!", but the AI gets 5 (or more?) chances to ignore my polite requests to leave, all the while moving deeper into my territory, until finally the auto-leave takes them all teh way across ny territory to where they were wanting to go anyway, and now they got there even faster. The Civ2 auto-leave where units got sent all the way back to the capital might help alleviate some of this abuse. (Although I will have to admit that I sometimes used that to redeploy my troops closer to home.
    (Posted by patcon)

    4.8 - Trade networks is important

    The AI needs to recognize the value of trade networks. I have all too often had AIs with resources to trade who refuse to connect their road network to mine, even if I have gone to the trouble of building a road across tiles of open territory just to reach their borders. Then if I try to bring in workers to build a road in their territory to connect up, I am told to "get out". Also, the AI tends not to build harbors that could establish trade routes.
    (Posted by patcon)

    4.9 - Don’t let the AI know all resources’ location

    It's one thing to have an AI that cheats by knowing the whole map, but I think it is complete and utter bovine feces that the AI knows where resources will pop up, once they discover the appropriate tech. This leads to the absurdity of the AI establishing cities in tundra or desert tiles because oil will eventually show up there.
    (Posted by patcon)

    5 - Treatment of military matters

    5.1 - Military Decision Making

    5.1.1 - Improve AI Military Decision Making

    Improve the AI's military behavior by improving the methods to how it builds it's strategy.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.1.2 - Weighing Decision To Go To War

    The AI civ should weigh all factors that humans consider before evening deciding to go to war: relative strength of civ versus targeted civ; probablity to get an ally to join the war; risk of being attacked by other civs; desire for luxury/critical resources; assessment of targeted civ's military; evaluation of geographical features/avenues for attack.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.1.3 - Picking Military Objectives

    If the AI civ decides to go to war it should decide what the objectives are, picking several, and select one as the primary objective. A set of objectives could be: reduction of bordering civ's presence; obtaining a luxury/resource from targeted civ; willingness to call off hostilities if tech/gold/city is handed over; taking away a city with a Wonder.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.2 - Military Strategies

    5.2.1 - Devising a Military Strategy

    Before war is actually declared, a strategy should be devised to reach the primary objective. The AI should analyze the strength of the known defense, location of objectives and pick a set of units it will attack with. The set of units available would be all the civ's units MINUS the units kept for defense of borders/cities and battle plan devised using these units in a concentrated, orderly fashion. Additionally, the AI should determine what are acceptable losses and cease attacks when the has been exceeded.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.2.2 - Program Classic, Historical Military Strategies

    The AI should be programmed with classic military strategy techniques. For example, if the targeted civ has a lot of units, setup a trap inside the civ's borders, move units out of the way, when enemy units enter the kill zone, attack and concentrate on destroying units. Another concept is a diversionary attack away from the real objectives, wait one/two turns, launch attack with massed forces towards real objective.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.2.3 - Evaluate Progress, Reassign Priorities, Modify Strategy

    Every turn during war, the AI should re-evaluate the full series of considerations and adapt by readjusting priorities and/or strategies.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    5.2.4 - Fronts

    Make the AI think in terms of "Fronts". So if its at war on three fronts, it first analyzes each position, says "I'm good here" or "Little help please" and the AI then distributes reinforcements, but the battle strategy is figured out on an individual front basis. This allows the AI to work much faster because the scope of its calculations is narrower.
    (Posted by wrylachlan

    5.2.5 - NOT fronts, but targets

    This ruined the MoO3 AI. It tryed to spread its forces over many fronts, meaning it was never a real threat on any of them. The Ai should think TARGETS, not fronts. It should have a goal like : get Athens, and defend Rome with x troops. Simple.
    (Posted by Jamski

    5.3 - Employ Combined Arms

    All unit types should be used to bring maximum force onto the enemy. If the AI has sealift capability, it should load troops to attack either as a diversionary attack, or the main attack WHILE a land attack is occuring. Paratroopers and other units with special abiliites should be used in concert.
    (Posted by Shogun Gunner)

    6 - Diplomacy

    6.1 - AI always open to talk

    I want the AI to ALWAYS be open to talks, even directly after a DoW. Of course the AI should accept peace if there's been no actual fighting, or if its clearly losing. If the AI declares war, you should be able to contact it straight away and ask "what do you want to call off your dogs?" Those times where the AI DoWs you out the blue and won't even talk until x cities have changed hands really makes me MAD!
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.2 - Ask for help when in war

    If the AI is under attack by another AI, it should contact all civs, including the player, and ask for help. Depending on situation it could ask for trade embargo, cash, alliance etc.
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.3 Right of Passage treaties

    If the AI wants to move through your territory all the time it should also want to PAY for a RoP agreement. As it is, it keeps wandering through, and then wants you to pay THEM for the RoP.
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.4 - Always negotiation before a DoW

    Before declaring war the AI should always make a final demand.
    "Give me Athens/Gunpowder/Furs or I WILL declare war"
    You should be able to make a counter-offer
    "How about instead of Athens I pay you 8gtp?"
    Then the AI says, "hmm... offer a bit more and I'll leave you in peace"
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.5 - World War triggering

    World-war triggering. The AI embarks on a world war if it "feels strong enough" (more than 25% of the worlds forces or something, adjusted by number of civs alive at the time) and attempts to take on everyone. It contacts all civs with the offer,
    "Pay huge sum/cities/tech or join me in war against xyz, or I DoW you."
    This results in either a killer AI, or at least a huge war with multiple civs on each side.
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.6 - New agreements

    6.6.1 - Research pact

    research pact. You and the AI civ agree to share all your research. If one civ has a better research rate, then the agreement is "worth more" to the one with the lesser tech rate, and they may offer additional trades (luxuries, money, troops)
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.6.2 - Favored trade partner

    Favored trade partner. This gives you +1 gold in each town connected to the AI's cities, +2 in each city and +3 in each metropolis. The AI gets the same benefits. You can only have one trade partner at a time. It make that AI like you more, and makes other AIs dislike you more. Breaking the agreement lowers your reputation with all civs EXCEPT if you break it by signing the agreement with another civ, who then think you are great.
    (Posted by Jamski

    6.7 - Trading

    6.7.1 - Restrict tech trading

    Neither you or the AI can trade a tech in the turn you get it. This cuts down on tech whoring AND the "feature" if you trade a tech to the AI in its turn, it then trades it to all the other civs immediatly. Should slow the tech rate marginally.
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.7.2 - New trade

    UNITS! Make all units except UU's tradeable just like workers are now. Mercenary units from another civ cost double gold or something to support. The units appear in you capital.
    (Posted by Jamski)

    6.8.0 Long Term, Short Term, Etc. Goals

    Civ4 needs to implement long term, short term, and era term goals for the ai so it acts rationally.
    (Posted by Lawrence of Arabia)

    7 - Modability

    7.1 - Rule based and modable

    I believe the AI should be rule-based, and importantly should modable by the community.
    (Posted by Merp)

    Conclusion

    The general opinion is that the AI in Civ4 should be improved, expanded, improved, expanded…
    Respectfully compiled - Nikolai
    With special thanks to: Asmodean

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