Spanish Mod solves infamous "Double Move" problem in civ4

Published on August 30, 2010 07:09

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Editorial by Robert Plomp: Astrologix of the Apolyton Spanish Forum responded to the "1UPT / Simultaneaus" debate in our forum with the following valuable post about the infamous "Double Move" issue that haunts Pitboss games for Civ4!

At the Apolyton spanish forum, we play simultaneous Civ4BtS pitboss games with a mod created by one of our members, Manolo. This mod does solve entirely the double move problem, because when a war is declared the turn time is doubled. If the time turn is 24 hours, then it becomes 24 (attacker) and 24 (defender). And the mod establishes a schedule. Of course, these are max times. If the players play quickly, the game runs quickly.

When other players come into that war, they must be careful on their first turn into that war, to play into the right half of the turn, then the mod places them on the right side and so on. So, complicated wars with many players involved are possible. When a player tries to enter the game in the "wrong" half of the turn, the mod don't allow them to enter. They must wait until the last player of the other camp has played, in which case the mod sends an email to the next players. Other peaceful players, can enter the game when they want.

We are very happy with this mod and play a whole championship, the so called APT, since two years from now. The mod not only manage the turns, it does more things, for exemple to help the admin to manage saves and restart games easily and accurately if problems occurs.

You can read about here:
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/1...LASIFICACIONES

And download the mod here (we have a second mod for Next War games) :
http://apolyton.net/showthread.php/1...=1#post5607432

Download it and try it!

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9 Comments

Robert Plomp - August 30, 2010, 07:17
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Thanks astrologix! That's very valuable! I'll look into it for our next diplogame as well!
I've made a news article from your post and placed it on our homepage.

jobe - August 30, 2010, 08:41
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@astro

Once the game is released and the Firaxis crew can breathe more again, I´ll try to point your mod and the ideas behind it out to them. Maybe they will take it into consideration in some way for Pitboss.

adnana - September 1, 2010, 06:48
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Sadly, I see that a lot of (good?) civ4 players have very wrong ideas on how "real-time" MP games work out.

How many of you know the difference between "fastmove" and "ctrl-a" ?
(No, fastmove does not refere to jobe's fastmoves )

Aro - September 1, 2010, 06:57
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I don't know if this thread should be in this place... Here is Civ V, isn't?

SpencerH - September 1, 2010, 08:57
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If you want to 'get ahead' at poly you cant worry about details like that. I asked a civ5 question in a thread about a civ 4 problem and it was answered.

Robert Plomp - September 1, 2010, 09:19
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Originally Posted by adnana

Sadly, I see that a lot of (good?) civ4 players have very wrong ideas on how "real-time" MP games work out.

How many of you know the difference between "fastmove" and "ctrl-a" ?
(No, fastmove does not refere to jobe's fastmoves )

There are many kinds of civ multiplayer games.
Some do not like to play games the way you do.
I do not enjoy fastmoves or control-a kinds of games (well, I do, but not as much as longer, slower games that focus less on speed and quick responses). The people I play with care to think about their moves a lot longer. It's just another type of game then you apparently play. And for those games such an option would be very needed. I wonder btw if this 1UPT thing is going to work out for your kind of games. Maybe it will, but it may also fail. It's very designed for TBS games, not for STBS games.

Robert Plomp - September 1, 2010, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Aro

I don't know if this thread should be in this place... Here is Civ V, isn't?

This is about 1UPT in Civ5, astro answered about how they handled the double move thing in civ4.
It's a thread were civ5 and civ4 merge

adnana - September 2, 2010, 05:53
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Originally Posted by Robert Plomp

There are many kinds of civ multiplayer games.
Some do not like to play games the way you do.
I do not enjoy fastmoves or control-a kinds of games (well, I do, but not as much as longer, slower games that focus less on speed and quick responses). The people I play with care to think about their moves a lot longer. It's just another type of game then you apparently play. And for those games such an option would be very needed. I wonder btw if this 1UPT thing is going to work out for your kind of games. Maybe it will, but it may also fail. It's very designed for TBS games, not for STBS games.

Rober, please note the "real-time" adjective. I know there are many ways in which people can experience civ playing together. As for thinking about your moves, trust me, there is A LOT of thinking going on in our kind of multiplaying games, the only difference is that you need to train your brain to think fast and take decisions even faster. Good, experienced players can take the right decision in a blink of an eye and 99% of the time it will be THE SAME decision that your TBS players take.

It's hard, I for one am more of a chess player rather than a "real-time moves" kind of player, but this does not ruin my civ experience. On the contrary, knowing that most of the time I will rather lose the "fastmove" I try to compensate by superior strategical thinking and positioning. Yes, there is the risk that sometimes, in the heat of the battle and under the pressure of time I might make the wrong call, but this happens in real life (real battles) as well. We try to learn from our mistake and become better players.

My point about "fastmoves" and "ctrl-a" is that the game can be played the way we play it without becoming a "who has the fastest mouse click wins" kind of game. Ctrl-a is a defensive command and beats any kind of connection, mouse click speed or "fastmove". You can strategically use it for a lot of purposes and it is part of the game. You know about it and your opponent knows about it and you both can plan your moves around it.

I was a much weaker player before I learned about the true meanings of "fastmove" and "ctrl-a" because most of my strategies were chaotical since I did not understand the game mechanics. And yes I was blaming it on the damn fast clickers when it had nothing to do with it. There was only my ignorance to be blamed.

Robert Plomp - September 2, 2010, 07:20
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As for thinking about your moves, trust me, there is A LOT of thinking going on in our kind of multiplaying games, the only difference is that you need to train your brain to think fast and take decisions even faster. Good, experienced players can take the right decision in a blink of an eye and 99% of the time it will be THE SAME decision that your TBS players take.

I believe you.
But some aren't able to do that in such a short time.
They prefer to play civ the way it was intended to be played, or at least close to it.
The request for a TBW option is not against you guys
I know that fastmoving or knowing all control-options, and using them correctly, does not make someone win the game. It's good that those options are available, so that it is possible to play these fast games. I hope they'll be available in civ5 as well!