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  • Uh huh.
    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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    • Originally posted by Elok View Post
      That debates are expected to move the electoral needle at all should itself be seen as symptomatic of deep problems, as I have never seen a presidential debate that was not basically a high-stakes version of the stupid dick-waving feuds we have on here. They certainly don't indicate anything about governing ability. If your feelings about a candidate can be shifted by how readily they quip or hold an attractive facial expression, then you have probably not matured all that much since high school. It's kind of weird how passively we accept that.
      this in itself is a reflection of wider culture, where people are far more interested in, say, celebrity gossip than in serious analysis of current affairs. it's often said that we become less trivial after school, when in fact many people remain just as trivial, only the subjects of their triviality changing.
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      • That debates are expected to move the electoral needle at all should itself be seen as symptomatic of deep problems, as I have never seen a presidential debate that was not basically a high-stakes version of the stupid dick-waving feuds we have on here. They certainly don't indicate anything about governing ability. If your feelings about a candidate can be shifted by how readily they quip or hold an attractive facial expression, then you have probably not matured all that much since high school. It's kind of weird how passively we accept that.
        I was a debater in high school. I haven't watched a 'debate' in ages.
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        • Originally posted by Elok View Post
          That debates are expected to move the electoral needle at all should itself be seen as symptomatic of deep problems, as I have never seen a presidential debate that was not basically a high-stakes version of the stupid dick-waving feuds we have on here. They certainly don't indicate anything about governing ability. If your feelings about a candidate can be shifted by how readily they quip or hold an attractive facial expression, then you have probably not matured all that much since high school. It's kind of weird how passively we accept that.
          Debates are a terrible way to learn about policy, but they might shed light on how "presidential" a candidate is--cool under pressure, quick on their feet, that kind of thing. I can imagine that being relevant, and we've certainly seen such a disparity in this election's debates. Of course, everybody should have already known how entirely uncouth Trump is, but the debates get far more eyeballs than other parts of the political process, so they can be informative for low-information voters.
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          • Lori, I seriously hope we don't expect presidents to interact with anybody--subordinates, congress, foreign diplomats--in the same way candidates interact with each other during debates. I want my leaders acting with reasonable speed, but also deliberation, and I certainly don't want them making snap decisions on important matters in the space of seconds without consulting anyone.
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            • It is mostly about vanity. Though Hillary did hit on a lot more substance in that last one.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • You want to job-test them, run them through simulated crises in isolation. Present them with a scenario where, say, two other countries are at each other's throats, and they each have limited information to act on to resolve the conflict one way or another. The full information is pre-formulated, and a bipartisan panel of policy wonks simulates the responses of the various foreign leaders involved (they don't know which candidate they're dealing with, and candidate isn't allowed to tell them). When it's done, the candidates explain why they made the decisions they did.
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                • Or, if that's too much bother, get them together for a pickup game of the board game "Diplomacy" with a random selection of world leaders who feel they have the free time to join in. Make it a reality TV show where we see all the negotiations. I'd watch the hell out of it.
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                  • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                    You want to job-test them, run them through simulated crises in isolation. Present them with a scenario where, say, two other countries are at each other's throats, and they each have limited information to act on to resolve the conflict one way or another. The full information is pre-formulated, and a bipartisan panel of policy wonks simulates the responses of the various foreign leaders involved (they don't know which candidate they're dealing with, and candidate isn't allowed to tell them). When it's done, the candidates explain why they made the decisions they did.
                    Hillary has already done a lot of that.

                    Donald... He would have a meltdown. He doesn't last under high stress situations.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • Originally posted by Elok View Post
                      Or, if that's too much bother, get them together for a pickup game of the board game "Diplomacy" with a random selection of world leaders who feel they have the free time to join in. Make it a reality TV show where we see all the negotiations. I'd watch the hell out of it.

                      Foreign policy-wise they probably could do setting up a youtube channel with the candidates doing "let's play" of various Paradox games
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                      • Originally posted by Braindead View Post
                        I presume:

                        K = Kidicious
                        G = Giancarlo
                        B = Pickles



                        What might an "E" be a part of?
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                        • Diplomacy is easier to learn, IIUC.
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                          • Donald would grope foreign female diplomats. Don't want to do that.
                            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                            • Goodness me.

                              This is a great way for Texas to flip. When the candidate you support is deadlocked with your opponent in the state you represent, you shouldn't say things like the above.

                              That is exactly how Ann Richards got elected.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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