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  • How old were you when Reagan was president?
    It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
    RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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    • Originally posted by rah View Post
      How old were you when Reagan was president?
      Lol was born in 1985... But I have studied him. And I can't stand Reagan from what I know.

      The thought of Trump disgusts me to the core. This man represents the very worst. He has legitimized violence against minorities.
      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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      • Reagan was a charismatic clown who got elected because he was just what the country needed/wanted at the time.

        Beware.
        It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
        RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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        • The polling is suggesting Hillary is holding steady. Some are freaking out about New Hampshire, but let's keep in mind Hillary is within 1% in Georgia. She also holds assertive leads in other states she needs. She has also developing a 3-4% lead in Florida. Gravis, a heavily republican pollster, gave her +3% in Florida. Another Fox 13 poll had her +4%. She also seems to have an advantage in South Carolina.

          I hope this country makes the right choice next week. For all our sake. Hillary, while far from ideal for many, would be a million times better than that awful man.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • Originally posted by rah View Post
            Reagan was a charismatic clown who got elected because he was just what the country needed/wanted at the time.

            Beware.
            He wasn't someone who came out of nowhere. He was part of the political system. Oh and as a Californian, I apologize.

            Edit: And as far as charisma, Trump isn't it. He isn't a good speaker at all. While you may describe Reagan as a charismatic clown, Trump is just a clown.
            Last edited by Giancarlo; November 4, 2016, 09:52.
            For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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            • Hillary is improving her numbers... Even among whites.



              This could be that final push.

              Many are disregarding the FBI... Perhaps that stems from the lack of trust in the agency among the public.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • the thing about recent polls is that there is something for everyone. people can say, based on one poll or another, that either candidate is winning in certain states. the aggregated polls, however, show that NC, FL and NV are on a knife edge. the bbc puts them level nationally, and although clinton is ahead in, and will probably win, the popular vote, her EC position looks very vulnerable. clinton is still the favourite at this stage, but the momentum is very plainly with trump, hence all the panic that we are seeing.

                there is another aspect here which i feel has been overlooked: polls show that around 2/3 of americas feel that the country is on the wrong track; they want change, in other words. clinton is the status quo candidate; trump represents change, even though the kind of change he offers isn't to everyone's taste (to put it mildly). how much of a factor will that be?
                "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                • That's nonsensical. You are missing that most Americans don't even approve of Trump or view him as having the temperament. I think people will value temperament and leadership (both of which Hillary clearly leads in). In addition, Rasmussen has them drawn even, and they poll more Republicans than Democrats.

                  By the way, Hillary has indeed pulled into the 3-4% margin in Florida. Early polling suggests she will take Nevada too as nearly 70% of ballots cast in Nevada are done before election day. More than any other state.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • BTW, I am unhappy with the direction of this country. You need to ask me why. It is a reason why Republicans have actually grown more vulnerable in losing the Congress the last few days.

                    Congress has a 20% approval rating and Obama hovers around 55-57%. Ask yourself why.

                    You know.. That question is one of the worst a pollster can ask and should be eliminated. There are many Democrats who are unhappy, but it isn't for reasons you think.
                    For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                    • Don't read too much into the "on the wrong track" poll. Republicans control congress. So Democrats will think we're on the wrong track. Democrats control the White House. So Republicans will think we're on the wrong track. Libertarians think there are too many environmental regulations. Greens think there are too few. Both, and many independents think the 2 party system is destroying the country.

                      The aggregate is meaningless in regards to direction.

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                      • That question is so general its meaningless. I would check that box too. Does that mean I would support Mr corruption (Trump?). Heck no.
                        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                        • well, gian, if it's all the same, i'll take my news on polling from people who know what they're talking about and aren't just cherry picking to suit their own narrative.

                          there's a decent article on 538 that explains why clinton's position is vulnerable.
                          Want these election updates emailed to you right when they’re published? Sign up here. There’s been a potential breach of Hillary Clinton’s electoral firewall. …


                          people wanting change obviously helps the 'change' candidate. it does in two ways: firstly, by persuading people to vote for the change candidate, and, secondly, by discouraging people to vote for the 'status quo' candidate. so, disillusioned democrats, like our own dinner, may vote third party or stay home.
                          "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                          "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                          • Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                            Don't read too much into the "on the wrong track" poll. Republicans control congress. So Democrats will think we're on the wrong track. Democrats control the White House. So Republicans will think we're on the wrong track. Libertarians think there are too many environmental regulations. Greens think there are too few. Both, and many independents think the 2 party system is destroying the country.

                            The aggregate is meaningless in regards to direction.
                            sure, people think so for diverse reasons. but in a election in which most people want change, it's better to be the change candidate.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • You seem to be doing the cherry picking. Trump doesn't represent what most people want and that is why he may lose big.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                                sure, people think so for diverse reasons. but in a election in which most people want change, it's better to be the change candidate.
                                Trump isn't the change candidate and most people see that. And he has inflamed minorities. So turnout may actually be high for Clinton. Maybe partially out of fear.

                                Get a grip!

                                BTW most models put Clinton at 320 EV's.
                                For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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