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  • #1696
    you're simply projecting your own views on change onto the tens of millions who want it.

    and do you really think that trump will do worse than romney? that looks very unlikely.

    edit: in response to aeson, but the first line works for both.
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

    "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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    • #1697
      Because no directionality is given in the "wrong way" poll, it's possible that more people want more D directionality than want more R. Gian's point about congressional and Obama's approval numbers and Elok's about visibility may or may not cancel each other out.

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      • #1698
        Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
        you're simply projecting your own views on change onto the tens of millions who want it.

        and do you really think that trump will do worse than romney? that looks very unlikely.

        edit: in response to aeson, but the first line works for both.
        I could say the same about you. Millions who want change? You are posting platitudes. The Presidential polling doesn't show that, and Romney was actually closer to Obama polling wise, than Trump is to Hillary.
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • #1699
          Originally posted by Aeson View Post
          Because no directionality is given in the "wrong way" poll, it's possible that more people want more D directionality than want more R. Gian's point about congressional and Obama's approval numbers and Elok's about visibility may or may not cancel each other out.
          It isn't really about visibility, but overall impressions of Congress. People may not even know the names of Congressmen, but may disapprove of the way they do their job. And Congress is almost as visible as the President.
          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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          • #1700
            I think the Bernie bros who are/were supporting Trump lend some credence to the any change is good change motivation.
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            • #1701
              Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
              I think the Bernie bros who are/were supporting Trump lend some credence to the any change is good change motivation.
              I think the vast majority are either supporting Hillary and some not voting at all. Bernie said it right... Trump doesn't represent any view of his own.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • #1702
                Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                you're simply projecting your own views on change onto the tens of millions who want it.

                and do you really think that trump will do worse than romney? that looks very unlikely.

                edit: in response to aeson, but the first line works for both.
                Romney got 47.2% of the vote. Trump has touched 45% a couple times in the polling average.

                Trump will do better in the EC, but that has nothing to do with how many people want change, and is mostly due to Hillary being a horrible candidate herself.

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                • #1703
                  That's why I think Hillary will get around 320. That is where most projected totals are at. Trump just has to win too many and that is a disadvantage.

                  And Georgia is closing up again for sure. I also still believe Arizona could be in play based on strong early votes for democrats. North Carolina and Florida have both drifted to Hillary.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • #1704
                    The election that forgot about the future
                    http://theweek.com/articles/659087/election-that-forgot-about-future
                    America used to be obsessed with the future. But, perhaps predictably in a campaign led by two baby boomers, this campaign has been all about the past.


                    Notes that neither candidate really has a particularly strong or bold vision for the future; the election is "let's turn back the clock on the economy" vs. "don't let him turn back the clock on social progress."
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                    • #1705
                      As for "projecting", you are the one doing that. I am pointing out there is no clear directionality on what people mean by "wrong direction".

                      It can mean D or R or screw them both. But the end result is Trump is struggling to catch a likely felon.

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                      • #1706
                        Originally posted by Giancarlo View Post
                        Not even Marco Rubio lol?
                        I'm probably not the best example, TBH, since I've been politically jaded and apathetic for at least a decade.
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                        • #1707
                          Originally posted by Elok View Post
                          http://theweek.com/articles/659087/e...t-about-future

                          Notes that neither candidate really has a particularly strong or bold vision for the future; the election is "let's turn back the clock on the economy" vs. "don't let him turn back the clock on social progress."
                          She does have an economic plan actually but details don't interest anyone.
                          For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                          • #1708
                            Originally posted by Aeson View Post
                            Trump will do better in the EC
                            well quite. he may even do well enough to win the presidency, which romney never really looked like doing.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • #1709
                              In other news, one of Trumps closest supporters... Chris Christie just saw two of his aides convicted by a federal grand jury on all counts. Wow.
                              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                              • #1710
                                Originally posted by Elok View Post
                                "don't let him turn back the clock on social progress."
                                This is why I think c0ckney's cartoon from a page ago is a little unfair. It's worth voting for the establishment candidate if we have actually made some progress and don't want to see that progress undone. Voting for a candidate who acts as a giant mouthpiece for racism, sexism, and any other -ism you can find sets us back, even if he doesn't enact any specific policies to intentionally hurt minority X.
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