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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why would the group devoted to relativism, vote for any moral?
Why would the group devoted to relativism, vote for any moral?
-Drachasor
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You don't understand the left. They are devoted to people being able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm another person.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama -
I don't like Michael Moore nor do I agree with what he thinks.Originally posted by Ned
Please, Drach. Leave at once. Otherwise, get real and really listen to what Republicans have to say as opposed to the what the conspiracy mongers (Michael Moore, for example) say they say.
Stop trying to lump everyone into the same group.
I also like Moderate Republicans and fiscally responsible republicans are decent amount (though I don't agree with them). Bush isn't one.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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You dont understand the Right.
They just want to live in peace and be left alone by the government without fear of there lifestyle being regulated (eg: Hunting)Comment
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There is no reason to carry it to term. There is no logical reason for abortions before brains are active to be illegal.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Why not put the child up for adoption, and make sure the girl is removed from the abuse?
The life of the mother can be in danger. It can and does happen.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
You lie, Kerry's position is that he wants a health clause added to the bill. What this means is that all partial birth abortions will become justified under this clause.
This is why the senate committee spent so long establishing that there is no medical condition that requires a partial birth abortion.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Drach, we seem to agree that when one moves to the left of Kerry we find ourselves deep into the land of socialism and Marxism.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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Those are the libertarians, the Far Right want to dictate their moral views on other people.Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
You dont understand the Right.
They just want to live in peace and be left alone by the government without fear of there lifestyle being regulated (eg: Hunting)
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I gave extreme examples to counter your point. You are mischaraterizing my arguement.Originally posted by Ned
Drach, we seem to agree that when one moves to the left of Kerry we find ourselves deep into the land of socialism and Marxism.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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As opposed to the far, communist left?Originally posted by Drachasor
Those are the libertarians, the Far Right want to dictate their moral views on other people.
-Drachasor
Just what are you getting at?Comment
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Or their taxes being raised to pay for socialism or their businesses being destroyed by regulation, environmental extremism and unions, or their pro-life moral values being ridiculed by leftist, activist judges and their faith in God being mocked degraded by elitist snobs.Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
You dont understand the Right.
They just want to live in peace and be left alone by the government without fear of there lifestyle being regulated (eg: Hunting)http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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As opposed to the moderate and left that agree on more moral issues than the moderate and right. Most people want legalized abortion, most people support a marriage-like status for gay couples, most people do not want the religious right telling them what is right and wrong.Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
As opposed to the far, communist left?
Just what are you getting at?
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Then there is no justification to kill the child in the womb.There is no reason to carry it to term. There is no logical reason for abortions before brains are active to be illegal.
Secondly, why do you support partial birth abortions, if you believe that having a brain makes you a person?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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What is harmful?You don't understand the left. They are devoted to people being able to do what they want so long as it doesn't harm another person.
Is it not wrong to kill another person for convenience sake?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
"Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!Comment
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The recent election proves everything you just said wrong. Not 1 state turned down the opportunity to ban Homosexual Wedding.Originally posted by Drachasor
As opposed to the moderate and left that agree on more moral issues than the moderate and right. Most people want legalized abortion, most people support a marriage-like status for gay couples, most people do not want the religious right telling them what is right and wrong.
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No, because people didn't understand Kerry's positions on the issues.Originally posted by imacowmoo 3-:-o
The recent election proves everything you just said wrong. Not 1 state turned down the opportunity to ban Homosexual Wedding.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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In cases where the choice must be made between the mother's life and the child's, I support partial birth abortions.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Then there is no justification to kill the child in the womb.
Secondly, why do you support partial birth abortions, if you believe that having a brain makes you a person?
Your other comment is a red-herring, since there is no good reason to consider the first trimester embryo as fully human.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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