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Regarding the map "Jesusland," a prime example of the radical left hatred of religion.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en -
Bush won the misinformation war, and that is why he won the campaign.
Kerry doesn't support all abortions all the time; they bring up his vote against partial birth abortion a lot, but they misrepresent it. Kerry would have voted for the bill if it allowed you to get an abortion without parents being informed (for extreme cases like incestual rape). The Bill mandated parents being informed.
Kerry is not an extreme liberal either; he is simply a little to the left of the average democrat. Factcheck.org goes over this.
Kerry *is* fiscally responsible. He broke with his party many, many times throughout his career to support responsible spending. Bush successfully painted his record as a reckless spending. In reality Kerry is much better than Bush.
Bush successfully got most of his support to think Iraq had WMDs when we went into it. He sucessfully got most supporters to think Iraq highly supported Al Qaeda or was involved in 9/11. All intelligence reports and the 9/11 comission have shown these things to simply not be true.
As I have said, my problem with the election is that the candidates were so miscast on their issues that people didn't understand who they were voting for well. There are a lot of reasons why this was able to happen (campaign problems with Kerry, Karl Rove, the media, etc), but it did happen.
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Thats unfair to a significant section of Bush voters.Originally posted by Arrian
Only in the Nedaverse. Unfortunately for those of us in the blue states, approximately 51% of America lives in the Nedaverse. Mass delusion really isn't pretty.
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The question is who made up the 3% difference in the vote- those were the religious right.If you don't like reality, change it! me
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Yes a pretty clear indication that jobs are moving south.Originally posted by GePap
This actually is a very interesting study:
In many blue states the difference between poor and rich has grown faster than in the red states.
Good link and study. It also shows by and large the US south shows upward velocity in income in both bottom 1/5th and top 1/5th incomes if I read correctly.
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I hate to break it to you, Ned, but it's not just the "radical left" that identifies with that map.Originally posted by Ned
Regarding the map "Jesusland," a prime example of the radical left hatred of religion.
I sent it around the office (not to EVERYONE, of course), and the reaction was overwhelming. People up here LOVE that map, because it sums up our frustration perfectly. And we are NOT radical leftists, Ned, no matter how many times you say we are.
I do loath religion, though. I make no bones about it. I am willing to tolerate it, however - a significant difference between me and the religionistas. They do not understand tolerance.
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21st, actually.Also Bush is I believe only the thirteenth president to be re-elected.meet the new boss, same as the old bossComment
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Oh wow, they must need something to do.Originally posted by Arrian
People up here LOVE that map...Comment
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We lost, Harry. We're depressed & bitter. The whole place is in a state of shock.
The map is good for a laugh. And we need laughs up here.
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The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.Comment
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Oh, and I would add about the religion-thing. Most moderates don't care for making right-wing religious values that even the religious are divided upon law. The religious right does not have a monopoly on morality nor does it have a monopoly on religion.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I think the thing you US Democrats should be most scared of is that people like Ned are starting to take control of your country...
Soon the USA will be the Nedaverse!
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If that really starts to happen I shall go to Europe. If America becomes more and more isolationist I shall also go to Europe. I want to be part of a country that can look beyond itself, and the EU and how it brings more and more countries into it is quite appealing to me (there are, of course, other reasons as well).Originally posted by MOBIUS
I think the thing you US Democrats should be most scared of is that people like Ned are starting to take control of your country...
Soon the USA will be the Nedaverse!
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Every other operation undertaken by a minor requires parental consent.Kerry doesn't support all abortions all the time; they bring up his vote against partial birth abortion a lot, but they misrepresent it. Kerry would have voted for the bill if it allowed you to get an abortion without parents being informed (for extreme cases like incestual rape). The Bill mandated parents being informed.
Secondly, if a young girl is abused by her father, do you see that abortion helps cover up the abuse? If the young girl gets pregnant, than that is an indication, that abuse may be present. No pregnancy, no indicator of abuse.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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True dat. Only 80% of the voters who listed 'morals' as an important part of their vote voted for Dubya.Most moderates don't care for making right-wing religious values that even the religious are divided upon law. The religious right does not have a monopoly on morality nor does it have a monopoly on religion.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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The Dems are also in denial when they fail to understand why businesses move South. They tell everyone that high taxes and stong unions bring jobs.Originally posted by Ogie Oglethorpe
Gee wow, Considering the exodus from the North to the South of industry in general, who is getting richer and who is getting employed?
Hint, think red.
But the truth lies elsewhere.http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=enComment
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If Kerry was only slightly left, I wonder where the bulk of the Democrat party is today -- radical communism?
Kerry is 'left'?
I think that was his main problem though, He's words sounded right but his mind was more to the left. ( or center, there is no left, left in he US )Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - EpicurusComment
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