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  • #226


    So far that hasn't been the case.

    I think people forget all the Evangelicals who sat on their hands in the last go round.


    Evangelicals came out in droves for him in 2000. Pollsters can't find the 4 million evangelicans that Rove is always going on about.

    And Bush is having a little difficulty with them, what with the criticism by Pat Roberston, and his recent comments on civil unions.
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    • #227
      Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


      So far that hasn't been the case.

      I think people forget all the Evangelicals who sat on their hands in the last go round.
      You misunderstand.

      Yes, the Republicans will get a boost in the *numbers* of people voting for them. Democrats get a boost in the numbers *and the percentage* of people voting for them.

      The fact is that there are more Democrats than Republicans, and that Democrats much more often than Republicans don't vote. Large turnouts mean more of those Democrats are now voting.

      Net boon for Kerry, that's why some of the vile people that want Bush to win are trying to supress the vote across the nation. I'd note that Democrats aren't supressing the vote anywhere.

      -Drachasor
      "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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      • #228
        Latest FL polls.

        Page Not Found - Gembet99
        http://www.race2004.net/states.php?state=fl


        Kerry's doing quite well, actually. I'd be suprised if Kerry loses, especially considering that the last Quinnipac poll showed him up by 17% among early voters.
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        • #229
          Pollsters can't find the 4 million evangelicans that Rove is always going on about.

          And Bush is having a little difficulty with them, what with the criticism by Pat Roberston, and his recent comments on civil unions.

          I don't think the pollsters are going out of their way to find them.

          As for Pat Robertson, he has his own credibility problems.
          Last edited by Ben Kenobi; October 30, 2004, 13:42.
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          • #230
            Not among a lot of evangelicals.
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            • #231
              Originally posted by Ramo
              Latest FL polls.

              Page Not Found - Gembet99
              http://www.race2004.net/states.php?state=fl


              Kerry's doing quite well, actually. I'd be suprised if Kerry loses, especially considering that the last Quinnipac poll showed him up by 17% among early voters.
              Two words:

              Jeb Bush!

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              I learned our government must be strong. It's always right and never wrong,.....that's what I learned in school."
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              • #232
                You mean, he's going to rig the election?
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                • #233
                  The fact is that there are more Democrats than Republicans, and that Democrats much more often than Republicans don't vote. Large turnouts mean more of those Democrats are now voting.
                  Actually, the Republicans have been doing a good drive to increase their numbers of registrations.

                  So I'm not sure why you think this increased turnout will help Kerry more than Bush?

                  Net boon for Kerry, that's why some of the vile people that want Bush to win are trying to supress the vote across the nation. I'd note that Democrats aren't supressing the vote anywhere.
                  No, they just try to run over Katherine Harris, with their vehicles, they destroy signs whenever they come across them.

                  It was fun in my riding up here. For once, the Conservative signs were left intact, and the Liberal signs were spraypainted by the NDP supporters.

                  So I have no fear of the Republicans trying to suppress the vote.
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                  • #234
                    Not among a lot of evangelicals.
                    How would you know?

                    I am an evangelical.
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                    • #235
                      The Dems have increased registrations far more than the GOP, in most places.
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                      • #236
                        Oh dear god
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                        • #237
                          I guess you somehow miss all the reports how various republicans are trying to supress tens of thousands of democratic voters across the nation, focused in swing-states, primarily.

                          I guess you don't read about how Jeb Bush told everyone to follow his highly flawed list of ex-cons in not letting them vote (it doesn't include much of the typically republican minorities, such as hispanics, and the people that made the list have denounced it as so flawed it should be thrown out).

                          There are some cases of democrats behaving badly, but none of them are trying to supress the vote, and none of them are doing anything that will affect tens of thousands of voters. The Harris incidient I have already denounced, and is just an example of a single democrat doing something vile and foolish. No one was hurt however, and no one last their right to vote.

                          And you have to live in some sort of bizarre world to not notice that though Republican registrations have increased, the Democratic registrations have increased on a much larger level (to say nothing of how they have always been higher to begin with). Are you counting on Republicans ripping up voter registration forms and trying to supress the vote as a counter to the increased registrations?

                          -Drachasor
                          "If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack Obama

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                          • #238
                            There is no question that Jeb Bush has been doing some highly unethical things to rig the Florida vote. I don't know how anyone could vote for such a dishonest family.
                            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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                            • #239

                              How would you know?


                              The process of speaking and listening. And common sense; clearly the founder of the Christian Coalition has some clout with evangelicals.

                              I am an evangelical.


                              Are you every evangelical?
                              "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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                              • #240
                                I am every woman.



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