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  • I'm willing to bet more republicans voted democrats than democrats voted republican. just a feeling
    All of the polling that I have seen suggests the opposite.
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    • That's probably true, but I think that more Bush2000 voters are voting for Kerry than Gore2000 voters are voting for Bush.
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      • Originally posted by DanS


        All of the polling that I have seen suggests the opposite.
        why would that be? What right minded democrat would vote for Bush? Actually I wonder what right minded republican would vote for Bush . I certainly didn't. I'm not a republican, but I usually vote republican.

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        • Not only not impossible, but most probable.
          As Pew points out, Bush's strength of support for reelect is equal to The Reagan's. That's a strong fortress to breach.

          why would that be? What right minded democrat would vote for Bush?
          I guess those Democrats who think terrorism is the most important issue. Or a veteran, etc.
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          • But I'd bet the strength of opposition to his re-election is far greater than in Reagan's case.
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            • Originally posted by DanS
              As Pew points out, Bush's strength of support for reelect is equal to The Reagan's. That's a strong fortress to breach.
              That's ingoring all the other factors of what's going on. At this point in 1984, Reagan was creaming Mondale in the polls and had a much higher favorable rating.

              Incumbents with approval ratings in the mid-40s lose. That's an even stronger fortress to breach.
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              • Yep, no incumbent with Bush's numbers has ever won the Presidency.
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                • I'd like to believe Kerry is going to win but I fear it's all just wishful thinking.

                  We just had an election here which all the pundits and polls were saying was too close to call and then the government romped home. Bush could do the same.

                  When I look at all the polls posted here I don't see Bush obviously in trouble.
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                  Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                  • With two days to go the latest polls are showing Bush winning Ohio but Kerry taking Pennsylvania and Florida. Nevada and New Hampshire are a dead heat and there are eight states with a whopping 99 electoral votes which are barely in one side or the other. Nation wide polling shows Bush 48%, Kerry 49%, Nader just below 1%, and 2% undecided. Historically a President facing reelection almost never gets more then +/-1 from his polling numbers so we can expect Bush to get a max of 49% of the vote while the rest go for Kerry (excepting Nader's 0.8%).

                    Everything is coming down to voter turn out though and those eight states which are just barely leaning one direction or the other could swing either way.
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                    • The latest CNN/Gallup poll (which also overpolls Republicans) has the race at Bush 49, Kerry 47 with LV. That's a three-point swing in favor of Kerry, as the last poll had Bush up 51-46. It's now a statistical tie, and shows Kerry has the momentum.

                      When Gallup predicted where undecideds would land, it got a 49-49 tie, the first it has had in the history of the poll. More importanly, it showed Bush's approval rating at 48%, making him very endangered.
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                      • I don't think Dems can bank on the incumbent rule in this election. With terrorism and Iraq, undecideds will likely break toward Bush.
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                        • Actually, Gallup has Kerry up in both Ohio and Florida. But it has Bush up in PA among LV (Kerry leads among RV, though, and the RV model was more accurate in 2000). The biggest surprise was it said Bush was up 8 in Wisconsin. This is totally at odds with several other polls just released that had it either a tie there or Kerry ahead anywhere from 1 to 8 points.
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                          • Among RV's, Gallup has Kerry up in all of his battleground states, except in Iowa, where Bush is up by one, and in Wisconsin by three.

                            Nationally, Gallup has Kerry up by two among RV's.
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                            • Originally posted by dojoboy
                              I don't think Dems can bank on the incumbent rule in this election. With terrorism and Iraq, undecideds will likely break toward Bush.
                              There's no evidence to support that "likelihood," however.

                              Undecideds tend to be people who are unhappy with the incumbent but waiting to see how things play out until the last moment. That's why they heavily break for challengers. Bush hasn't done anything to help his terrorism/security stand in the last week, and it has actually been hurt by the Al Qaaqaa story. Now the Bin Laden tape surfaces and reminds people that Bush has failed to capture him. And tonight 60 minutes is airing a damning story about the administration's ineptitude in planning and running the Iraq war.

                              If undecideds follow the momentum, they go Kerry.

                              Edit: And as an aside, the Gallup poll showed among RV that the biggest issue by far was the economy.
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                              • Man, look at the poll here at Apolyton. After 150 votes, its still neck and neck.
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