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Why does Mad Monk bring up the ACORN bit in every thread? As has been said dozens of times, these people were adding on extra registrations to make a few extra bucks, but no one is going to lose their right to vote as a result of this. Some of the Republican tactics that have been discussed are outright disenfranchisement of large numbers of people and are in no way comparable to a couple college students re-registering someone two or three times to make an extra buck or two. To suggest otherwise is simply willful ignorance on your part.
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Right wing talk radio programs like Rush Limbaugh are spending half of their day bellowing about Acorn. The hate mongers feel that if they can distract people with small things like Acorn then the listeners won't notice the really big crimes which Republicans are commiting in swing states.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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Originally posted by Zkribbler
I agree. Have you seen the reports from Florida on CNN, where an earlier voter line winds out the building and down the street as far as the eye can see?? One guy near the front of the line said he'd been there 2 1/2 hours already.
Big turn outs have traditionally helped Democrats. Republic are very consistent about showing up to the polls. Dems are iffy.
Dems have out registered Republicans recently 60% to 40%.
On the other hand:
(1) No one is counting people in the military, who are believed to be 70/30 in favor of Bush.
(2) It is supposed to rain on election day in Ohio, Pennsylvania and in the panhandle and southern tip of Florida -- that'll drive down turnout and help Bush.
I do not understand this silly notion/folklore saying that the rain keeps the Democrats from the polls. What? Do Republicans like rain, and Democrats hate rain?
A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Typically it is true, for the same reasons that large voter turnouts favor the Democrats.Originally posted by MrFun
I do not understand this silly notion/folklore saying that the rain keeps the Democrats from the polls. What? Do Republicans like rain, and Democrats hate rain?
Democrats tend to not vote as much as Republicans (as a group), and so a slight tilt that makes voting less easy will tend to affect the less dedicated voters more than the more dedicated voters.
However, there is only a chance of rain, no certaintly, and this election has both sides really fired up. People lined up in droves to vote in many places last time and waited in line for hours. This election will be the same way, and if people start to get unhappy from weather you can bet the Democrats will do what they can to keep them there to vote.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Zkribbler
Across the country, Hispanics generally vote Democratic.
But in Florida, the Cuba exiles generally vote Republican due to the Republican Party's strong anti-Castro stance.
Less so for the younger generation who, even in Florida, vote democrat.Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - EpicurusComment
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Originally posted by Drachasor
Typically it is true, for the same reasons that large voter turnouts favor the Democrats.
Democrats tend to not vote as much as Republicans (as a group), and so a slight tilt that makes voting less easy will tend to affect the less dedicated voters more than the more dedicated voters.
However, there is only a chance of rain, no certaintly, and this election has both sides really fired up. People lined up in droves to vote in many places last time and waited in line for hours. This election will be the same way, and if people start to get unhappy from weather you can bet the Democrats will do what they can to keep them there to vote.
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But I resent this mistakened correlation with being a Democrat, and being a less devout voter.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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Democrats are less reliable voters. Regardless of whether you take offense to that, it's true."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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There's only partial truth to it -- just like with all other stereotypes.A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.Comment
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No, but I find it curious that you are suddenly well informed in the voting habits of evangelicals, and the perception of Pat Robertson among evangelicals.
I never claimed to be well informed in that. I simply said that Roberson's comments, as well as Bush coming out against a federal ban of Civil Unions, will have some effect on evangelical turnout."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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There's only partial truth to it -- just like with all other stereotypes.
No one claimed that every Democrat is less reliable."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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That's why I said "as a group", it is an accurate statistic of the behavior of the whole group; a smaller percentage vote regularly compared to republicans. It is not a statement about *your* voting habits, or about *my* voting habits (I'm a Democrat too).Originally posted by MrFun
There's only partial truth to it -- just like with all other stereotypes.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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Give me some credit.Originally posted by Oerdin
Right wing talk radio programs like Rush Limbaugh are spending half of their day bellowing about Acorn. The hate mongers feel that if they can distract people with small things like Acorn then the listeners won't notice the really big crimes which Republicans are commiting in swing states.
All the links I've provided -- all of them -- came from Google news searches, and most of them came from sources like the AP. I was very careful on that count, specifically to avoid that accusation.
Nice to see that effort was wasted.
No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.Comment
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It is true,however, that the size and quantity of any such fraud is very small. It is also motivated by a desire to make money, not to artificially increase the vote.Originally posted by The Mad Monk
Give me some credit.
All the links I've provided -- all of them -- came from Google news searches, and most of them came from sources like the AP. I was very careful on that count, specifically to avoid that accusation.
Nice to see that effort was wasted.
Also, just try to find something that involves 1000 forged ballots by Acorn (or anyone similar); you won't.
In contrast there are organizations disenfranchising tens of thousands of people in every state. These aren't connected to the Acorn issues (nor anything similar), and Republicans claim a 'connection', but have not even an inkling of evidence for it.
Upright Republicans have denounced such tactics, and when they are in charge they, with their Democrat brethren, stop such tactics.
-Drachasor"If there's a child on the south side of Chicago who can't read, that matters to me, even if it's not my child. If there's a senior citizen somewhere who can't pay for her prescription and has to choose between medicine and the rent, that makes my life poorer, even if it's not my grandmother. If there's an Arab American family being rounded up without benefit of an attorney or due process, that threatens my civil liberties. It's that fundamental belief -- I am my brother's keeper, I am my sister's keeper -- that makes this country work." - Barack ObamaComment
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I see Bush pulled ahead in this thread's poll.
"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man." -- JFK Inaugural, 1961
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is not a vice." -- Barry Goldwater, 1964 GOP Nomination acceptance speech (not George W. Bush 40 years later...)
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All the polls I've seen reported in Danish media the last couple of days have Bush widening his lead. Can't remember them all, but Newsweek, Time and I believe CNN were among them.
With the left-leaning media it's funny because it's so obvious from their feature story reporting that they want Kerry to win sooo badly, but at the same time they have to give some room for the harsh reality of the poll trends.
A lot of socialists will be calling in sick next week when Bush prevails. Some may never get over it.
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