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So if you have a great offense, and can put the other team down big early, you may give up a lot of meaningless yards
That's why you look at YPA in passing (because no one really runs up the rushing yards when behind). That takes into account the number of passing attempts.
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Even Any Reid admits their run defense really needs fixing. Lets see if Trotter et. al. can make a difference.
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That's why you look at YPA in passing (because no one really runs up the rushing yards when behind). That takes into account the number of passing attempts.
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Take the Colts' defense for example. They are something like 10th versus the run, but they were 28th last year and have lost personnel, not gained. How? The Colts are winning early in a lot of games, forcing people to pass. This explains a) Our good rushing stats and b) our poor pass stats. Now, I could say that the Colts have a top 10 rushing defense when they obviously don't (even though we have had teams try to run on us), but they have the worst pass defense in the league. Had our run defense been slightly leakier, our pass defense would have been just as good as in years past (around 8th).
See what I'm saying? When you have a good run defense, you give up more passing yards hence more total yards, but if you have a bad defense you give up less passing yards hence less total yards. Combine that into teams don't run when they're losing by 14+, then you have many meaningless yards.
Take the Colts' defense for example. They are something like 10th versus the run, but they were 28th last year and have lost personnel, not gained. How? The Colts are winning early in a lot of games, forcing people to pass.
Colts Rushing YPA: 23rd
Colts Passing YPA: 30th
It would help to read my posts .
Btw, the Colts are 15th in Rushing Yards
Had our run defense been slightly leakier, our pass defense would have been just as good as in years past (around 8th).
I'll look at last year. The Colts were 4th against the pass in yards, but had the 5th most passing attempts against, so the Passing YPA were 20th.
The RUN defense was 20th in rushing yards allowed and 24th in YPA.
So the Run defense isn't that much better this year, but their pass D is very much so.
When you have a good run defense, you give up more passing yards hence more total yards, but if you have a bad defense you give up less passing yards hence less total yards.
That isn't borne out. The Steelers are #1 in rushing yards against, and are #2 in total yard against overall. The Redskins are #2 in rushing yards against, and #1 in total yards against.
Miami is last in rushing yards against, and yes they are 14th in total yards, but not because they give up less yards because of the rushing attack, but because their pass defense is so good. Miami's Passing YPA is 3rd in the league. OTOH, the Bengals who are 31st in rushing yards do not have the same passing defense and are 25th in total yards against.
The team with the worst defensive in yards allowed in the league are the New Orleans Saints, who are 30th in rushing yards allowed and 31st in passing yards allowed. They are 28th in Rushing YPA and 32 in Passing YPA.
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Lets look at Points Scored:
Are you telling me that you consider the San Diego Chargers to be the best Offense in the league? And that the Falcons have a better offense than the Broncoes?
What about defense? Are you saying that the New York Giants have a better defense than the Pittsburgh Steelers? Are saying the Cardinals have a better defense than the Titans?
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Are you telling me that you consider the San Diego Chargers to be the best Offense in the league? And that the Falcons have a better offense than the Broncoes?
Points per game. Chargers have played nine games, and are only behind the Eagles, Vikings, Colts and Chiefs.
I'd put them in the top 5 for offense this year.
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Would you put them ahead of Minnesota who has less points per game, but ~70 yards per game more (yes, San Diego has more points per game than Minnesota)? Personally I think Minnesota is a better offense than San Diego.
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They are performing better than Minnesota at the moment because San Diego have a consistent ground game (not as many injuries and suspensions as Minny), and Drew Brees is on fire. But then, is the Patriots' defense worse than Green Bay's? I know who I'd rather have, but the NFL doesn't agree with me.
On the topic, take a look at the Aikman Efficiency Ratings: They take into account Points, YPA, Red Zone Efficiency, and First Downs:
Well, if you assume that offense and defense are equally important, then summing the AEK provides the following team rankings:
Pittsburgh
Chargers
Colts
Patriots
Jets
Seahawks
Broncos
Eagles
Chiefs
Ravens
Packers
Vikings
Lions
Cardinals
Redskins
Bills
Giants
Panthers
Buccaneers
Bears
Browns
Falcons
Rams
Titans
Jaguars
Texans
Bengals
Saints
Cowboys
Dolphins
49ers
Raiders
Frankly, aside from the top1 and the bottom 3, I don't really agree.
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I doubt they are. It's a bit silly to take them as a total team ranking, because it's all about efficiency. The Jags aren't a very efficient team (though they win close games, which is a sign of being inefficient), and it shows, but they are 5-3 because they win the close ones. They could easily be 2-6.
A lot of the teams who are ranked lower than their talent and record says they should be shows that they could just as easily be lucky in the close games, and those higher than record says could just be doing pretty well at the time being but everything hasn't gone there way.
And also, it seems to come back to the NFL mantra of defense winning championships: How many of those too low have a good defense, and too high have a good offense?
But the whole point of any rating or ranking system is to be predictive of the outcome should those teams meet next. If the AEKs need further adjustment, those should have already been incorporated into the AEKs.
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As for taking Minny over SD, I think that SD having a few more ppg is less important than the 70 yards gained.
But we'll see what happens after Green Bay / Minny. If Minnesota loses, I'll have to consider the Chargers in the top four for offense, behind only the Chiefs, Colts, and Eagles.
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Denise DeBartolo and John York should be stripped of their ownership. I want to see what Larry Ellison can do with a franchise.
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