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  • #31
    Im not sure having a go at the US constitution strenghthens the arguments for a europpean one.
    Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by CerberusIV
      The wording on the EU constitution is ridiculous but given the number of attempts to unite europe by force over the last thousand years I would rather see arguments with words than with bullets.

      Since I live in a country which doesn't have a written constitution but fudges and invents things as it goes along I don't feel in a strong position to be too critical on this one.
      why does it have to be united either by bulletts or by words.
      Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by TheStinger
        Im not sure having a go at the US constitution strenghthens the arguments for a europpean one.
        It just shows that virtually every constitution that wasn't imposed by some dictator has a lot of compromise text in it. Accusations of vagueness etc are utterly idiotic, unless you address that charge to all compromise constitutions.

        Anyway, shouldn't be an issue for you. You hate the EU, and no matter what it does short of dissolving itself, you won't be happy.
        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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        • #34
          I'm with Prodi. Of course I suppose it should be a plus to actually read the Constitution first.

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          • #35
            Since I live in a country which doesn't have a written constitution but fudges and invents things as it goes along I don't feel in a strong position to be too critical on this one.
            The first question the Euros should be asking is why do we need a Constitution?

            I'd actually prefer God to be left out of the Euro's constitution because this would be mere lip service.
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            • #36
              Originally posted by BeBro
              Fellow Eurocoms, let´s think out some cool lines for the new EU Constitution!!!

              From the shores of the Atlantic to the east of the Aegean
              Everyone's wearing blue and is not a Nigerian.

              (couldn't think of another rhyme)

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              • #37
                No I don't hate the EU, I would like to see avery different one to what we have now, I would ideally like to go back to what he had at the time of the single european Act.

                Because I doubt the wisdom of further intergration I hate europe, does that mean if wnat further integration I hate my country.
                Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                • #38
                  Speaking of which, was the exit clause included in the Constitution...?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by TheStinger


                    why does it have to be united either by bulletts or by words.
                    Human nature.

                    Empires come, empires go. That sums up a lot about the last six thousand years of human history. There is always pressure for some groups to dominate and control. In the case of europe I would rather see a compromise agreed than something imposed.

                    It may be a minority view but I believe that within the next 50 years the nation state will become irrelevant within europe for economic and cultural reasons. The idea of a united Germany or Italy two hundred years ago wasn't taken seriously but it happened. Current nation states will come to have as little significance in the future as the principalities and city states that went to make up Germany or Italy do now.

                    The only questions are how the process is driven, and therefore how much violence is involved, and who wins or loses as individuals.
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by paiktis22
                      Speaking of which, was the exit clause included in the Constitution...?
                      I'd like to someone try and stop us
                      Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                      • #41
                        Was that a reply to which question?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by paiktis22
                          Was that a reply to which question?
                          to your next one
                          Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                          • #43
                            Wow, prophetic abilities.

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                            • #44
                              You have seen the light
                              Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                              • #45
                                snip snip
                                Last edited by Bereta_Eder; November 1, 2024, 21:04.

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