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  • #46
    I'm not sure what your point is. I disagree with Val, Prodi and Blair
    Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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    • #47
      As a dogma, when you hear Britain says she's happy about anything relating to the EU, you know something's awfully wrong.


      There, to boost your moral, unless you're a Sun reader too, which I highly suspect.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by paiktis22
        As a dogma, when you hear Britain says she's happy about anythign relating to the EU, you know something's awfully wrong.


        There, to boost your moral.
        Thanks, it has caused an enormous fuss over here, especialy when you consider the government are assessing the single currency at the moment.

        BTW will you get a referendum on it.
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        • #49
          A referendum to the new Constitution? I don't think so, it will be voted by the parliement.

          I thought you getting 0 points in the Eurovision contest created a bigger fuzz? Or does Sun associate the two?

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          • #50
            I think it is now accepted that the song being rubbish and the performance being worse got us nil points. I suppose we may have got 1 or 2 points if we were "good europeans"

            Oh and I don't read the Sun
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            • #51
              Originally posted by paiktis22

              "(The constitution) will create a stable rule book setting out clearly the primacy of nation states," Straw wrote.


              Now virtually all politicians are liars, but Straw is a particularly hilarious liar. That's almost Al-Sahaf material.
              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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              • #52
                Rephrase: Internal british consumption material.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by HershOstropoler




                  Now virtually all politicians are liars, but Straw is a particularly hilarious liar. That's almost Al-Sahaf material.
                  They have to say that to the British population or otherwise we get upset. If they sat down and said what the long term goal was as defined by eveyone else there would be a minor revolution.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by BeBro
                    Fellow Eurocoms, let´s think out some cool lines for the new EU Constitution!!!
                    How about this?

                    "The union's values include the values of those who believe in the Hammer and the Sickle as the sources of truth, justice, good and beauty; it does not include those who do not share such a belief."
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                    • #55
                      That's good. Something to terrorize the Americans, now that this is in fashion too.

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                      • #56
                        Hershell: My point in this thread is that these core values seem dumb. Just something to argue about and not in any way adding to the meaningfulness of the text. They don't embody compromises of anything that needs to be compromised upon.
                        I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DanS
                          Hershell: My point in this thread is that these core values seem dumb. Just something to argue about and not in any way adding to the meaningfulness of the text.
                          Thats the EU for you
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                          • #58
                            Further, the passage from the US constitution that Hershell mentions does embody some core beliefs and compromises. It is a good passage, even though those compromises ended up nearly splitting the union.
                            I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                            • #59
                              Art I-2 of the draft:

                              "The Union is founded on the values of respect for human dignity, liberty, democracy, the rule of law and respect for human rights. These values are common to the member states in a society of pluralism, tolerance, justice, equality, solidarity and non-discrimination."

                              Big ****ing deal. Just why "My point in this thread is that these core values seem dumb." - Do you think they are dumb? Or do you have no idea what you are you talking about?

                              As for God, there is a reason it's not included in the US constitution. God is invoked in some member state constitutions, in most it isn't. Yes it's a side issue. Just funny that you had to pick exactly that, and not say the issue of the European Council Presidency, or the Incorporation of the Charter of fundamental rights.
                              “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                              • #60
                                Hey, we didn't get it right at the first try, either. The Constitution was Round II.

                                -Arrian
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