Cloak & Dagger

[mostly-harmless]

University was my thought as well for The Warning, however I did not spot any new buildings. Probably my old eyes.

mh

[T-hawk]

The Warning = 10h (-186)

If this city went from 186h to 10h, there has to be a build swap involved. Anytime a build is completed with no swap, a city must spend a turn at 0 hammers invested.

The swap could go either direction. Either the city paused the 186H item and spent 10H into a new item, or they finished the 186H item and resumed an older build with 10H invested. The latter is probably more likely, since the former would mean setting aside a whopping 186H, and 10H is pretty low for a capital city.

Or another scenario is that 186H is the Taj, and the 10H build is carefully calculated to whip something and overflow back onto the Taj. Let's see if they whip something.

[Dreylin]

Looking back at The Warning for the last few turns:

T147: The Warning = 118h
T148: The Warning = 186h (+68) Grocer build is noted
T149: The Warning = 196h (+10)
T150: The Warning = 10h (-186) (I'm guessing this should have been -196)

Now I don't pretend to know how to read these things, but if the Grocer build is accurate, there are some screwy things going on.

Edit: there was a 4-pop whip on T147, could they have cold-whipped the Grocer to generate overflow as well?

[mostly-harmless]

The Warning = 10h (-186)

If this city went from 186h to 10h, there has to be a build swap involved. Anytime a build is completed with no swap, a city must spend a turn at 0 hammers invested.

That's not correct according to my (by now long) experience in keep track of those numbers.

mh

[T-hawk]

I remember seeing that effect when I originally tested out the formula in a SP sandbox. Not 100% sure, though. So what exactly makes up that 10 hammers figure? Does overflow from the previous build count towards the "sabotage production" number? I'll test some later, unless you beat me to it

[mostly-harmless]

I remember seeing that effect when I originally tested out the formula in a SP sandbox. Not 100% sure, though. So what exactly makes up that 10 hammers figure? Does overflow from the previous build count towards the "sabotage production" number? I'll test some later, unless you beat me to it

Yes, that's seems to be the case.
For example say I log in right after turn begin and get say 100h for a PAL city. Then afterwards PAL logs in and whips. Then I get 130h for that PAL city the same turn.

So overflow seems to count as sabotagable production.
mh

[T-hawk]

Yes, that's seems to be the case.
For example say I log in right after turn begin and get say 100h for a PAL city. Then afterwards PAL logs in and whips. Then I get 130h for that PAL city the same turn.

So overflow seems to count as sabotagable production.
mh

I completely agree with that. But I'm talking about the next turn. Suppose the city completes a 100H item. The next turn, that PAL city will have 0 hammers in the box. The 30H will be listed in the mouseover as "30H from overflow" and will not be in the box yet and will not count towards the sabotage cost. Am I wrong on that? (I'll test later.)

[mostly-harmless]

T151:

PAL: 4x pop & land
Rabbit: land
Banana: pop
Imperio: pop
Templars: -
RB: 4x pop & medieval tech traded for

Population census:
PAL 84 (12,11,11,8,8,7,7,7,6,4,3)
RB 69 (11,8,7,6,6,6,6,6,4,3,3,2,1)
Ban 59 (17,13,11,10,4,2,1,1)
Imp 53 (10,10,10,8,7,7,1)
Tem 30 (9,9,7,5)
Rab 17 (7,5,2,2,1)

Foreign production.

I will just paste in a picture of my table. That's quicker.


Templars
Jerusalem
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Lighthouse, Terrace, Forge
Constantinople
Infrastructure: Terrace, Barracks, Christian Monastery, Forge
Damascus
Infrastructure: Terrace, Barracks, Forge, Apo Palace, Christian Monastery
Acre
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks


Imperio
Mutal
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Granary, Monument, Stonehenge, Oracle, Forge, Library
Lakamha
Infrastructure: Barracks, Monument, Islamic shrine, Granary, Library
Chichen Itza
Infrastructure: Granary, Monument, Lighthouse, Barracks
Uxmal
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks, State of Zeus, Granary, Ball Court (Colosseum)
Mayapan
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks, Granary, Lighthouse
Calakmul
Infrastructure: Monument, Library, Barracks, Granary, Islamic Monastery

Mutal and Lakamha on some costly infrastructure.

PAL
The Warning
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Lighthouse, Library, Forge, Confucian Temple, Obelisk, Harbor, Academy, Confucian Monastery, Taoist Monastery, Grocer, University
Heliopolis
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Forge, Library, University
Alexandria
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge, Barracks
Giza
Infrastructure: Granary, Lighthouse, Forge, Library, University
Byblos
Infrastructure: Obelisk, Granary, Forge, Barracks, Lighthouse
Memphis
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Forge, Heroic Epic, Moai Statues, Lighthouse, The Great Lighthouse
Pi-Ramesses
Infrastructure: Granary, Courthouse, Library, Barracks, Forge, Obelisk, University
Navajo
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge
Akhetaten
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge


Rabbits
Caerbannog
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Library, Great Wall, Lighthouse
Digger's Burrow
Infrastructure: Barracks, Monument, Granary, Walls
Phrygian
Infrastructure: Monument


Banana
Banapolis
Infrastructure: Palace, Granary, Library, Lighthouse, Forge, The Pyramids, Moai Statues, Harbor, Walls, Castle, Pavilion (Theatre)
Banana Pudding
Infrastructure: Walls, Forge, Monument, Granary, Library, Harbor, Lighthouse, Academy, Castle, Pavilion (Theatre), National Epic, Barracks
Banana Split
Infrastructure: Walls, Castle, Lighthouse, Granary, Monument, Forge, Pavilion (Theatre)
Fried Banana
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge, Walls, Hagia Sophia, Pavilion (Theatre), Castle, Barracks
Doal
Infrastructure: none
Omni Point
Infrastructure: none
Foster
Infrastructure: Pavilion (Theatre)

PAL is saving up some real cash. More than 1100g so far.

mh

[regoarrarr]

Mutal and Lakhama have to be working on wonders, right? There aren't any city buildings that cost 290+ hammers, are there?

[sooooo]

No there aren't. I think we'll see them finish the university of Sangkore in about 4 turns, possible the Sistine Chapel too.

Looks like The Warning will be starting on Oxford University soon. 4 universities done that we can see.

[ruff_hi]

Imperio really have no taste for war. I guess they only DoW on us because Templar did ... I bet that Templar got a bit of a surprise when Imperio didn't immediately join in on their 'agreed' war declaration.

[mostly-harmless]

You can bet there is one in Pi-Ramesses as well. Got tripled whipped last turn.

mh

[sooooo]

OK yeah that's 5 universities and they probably started one at Thebes before the Taj. They can start Oxford this turn then.

[sooooo]

PAL just double-whipped something and Byblos' Sabotage cost jumped to 667. I assume that means that Byblos was the city that was whipped. I predict a library. I like this game!

[MyOtherCar]

PAL is saving up some real cash. More than 1100g so far.

Are they saving for mass upgrades or for 100% science once they have some more universities in place. The last option makes sense even if I haven't ever thought of that sort of mm before.