Cloak & Dagger

[Sullla]

We'll know one way or the other soon enough by looking at the GNP and Power bar graphs. (Not sure which one is more preferable for us... PAL putting money into research is better for them long-term, better for us short-term.)

[T-hawk]

But what mass upgrades would they be saving for? Not knights or cuirassiers or cannons without iron. Nothing upgrades to musket or trebuchet. No point in upgrading to longbows or macemen now. Grenadiers are too far away.

I bet they're just saving cash while building universities and Oxford, then will turn research back on. As the tech leader, they've got the luxury to do that rather than continually chase short-term tech goals.

[timmy827]

If they capture Eisenberg (which is right on top of Iron) it will be connected immediately with no need to wait for resistance to end, so that could be their play.

I remember hearing they were moving against it, what do we know about their odds of success/ETA of attack?

[mostly-harmless]

PAL gifted Philosophy to Templars.

mh

[T-hawk]

Oh dear. Why would Templars care about Philosophy? As a prerequisite to Nationalism. Expect that there next turn.

[darrelljs]

Oh dear. Why would Templars care about Philosophy? As a prerequisite to Nationalism. Expect that there next turn.

Yeah...that sucks. We've been kind of ignoring all this "you traded with my worst enemy" stuff from PAL. Maybe we should tell them if they gift Nationalism to anyone on our continent we are going to sign a defensive pact with Banana?

Darrell

[mostly-harmless]

T152:

PAL: 2x pop & whip_1 & whip_1 & whip_4
Rabbit: -
Banana: -
Imperio: pop & renaissance tech learned [Gunpowder]
Templars: (medieval tech gifted to them [Phil] last turn)
RB: 4x pop & land & whip_2

Population census:
PAL 80 (12,11,9,8,7,7,7,7,5,4,3)
RB 71 (12,9,7,6,6,6,6,5,5,3,3,2,1)
Ban 59 (17,13,11,10,4,2,1,1)
Imp 54 (11,10,10,8,7,7,1)
Tem 31 (9,9,7,6)
Rab 17 (7,5,2,2,1)

Foreign production.

I will just paste in a picture of my table. That's quicker.


What is not in there yte is the quadruple whip from The Warning bringing the production up to 420h!
Certainly a wonder. If it is the Shwedagon Paya and Imperio is building that as well, they will have to bite their butts for providing PAL with Gold.

Templars
Jerusalem
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Lighthouse, Terrace, Forge
Constantinople
Infrastructure: Terrace, Barracks, Christian Monastery, Forge
Damascus
Infrastructure: Terrace, Barracks, Forge, Apo Palace, Christian Monastery
Acre
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks

A new unit for Constantinople.

Imperio
Mutal
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Granary, Monument, Stonehenge, Oracle, Forge, Library
Lakamha
Infrastructure: Barracks, Monument, Islamic shrine, Granary, Library
Chichen Itza
Infrastructure: Granary, Monument, Lighthouse, Barracks
Uxmal
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks, State of Zeus, Granary, Ball Court (Colosseum)
Mayapan
Infrastructure: Monument, Barracks, Granary, Lighthouse
Calakmul
Infrastructure: Monument, Library, Barracks, Granary, Islamic Monastery

Mutal and Lakamha on some costly infrastructure, probably wonders.

PAL
The Warning
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Lighthouse, Library, Forge, Confucian Temple, Obelisk, Harbor, Academy, Confucian Monastery, Taoist Monastery, Grocer, University
Heliopolis
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Forge, Library, University
Alexandria
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge, Barracks
Giza
Infrastructure: Granary, Lighthouse, Forge, Library, University
Byblos
Infrastructure: Obelisk, Granary, Forge, Barracks, Lighthouse
Memphis
Infrastructure: Granary, Barracks, Forge, Heroic Epic, Moai Statues, Lighthouse, The Great Lighthouse
Pi-Ramesses
Infrastructure: Granary, Courthouse, Library, Barracks, Forge, Obelisk, University
Navajo
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge
Akhetaten
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge


Rabbits
Caerbannog
Infrastructure: Palace, Barracks, Library, Great Wall, Lighthouse
Digger's Burrow
Infrastructure: Barracks, Monument, Granary, Walls
Phrygian
Infrastructure: Monument
Eisenburg
Infrastructure: Monument, Walls
Magyar
Infrastructure: -

Banana
Banapolis
Infrastructure: Palace, Granary, Library, Lighthouse, Forge, The Pyramids, Moai Statues, Harbor, Walls, Castle, Pavilion (Theatre)
Banana Pudding
Infrastructure: Walls, Forge, Monument, Granary, Library, Harbor, Lighthouse, Academy, Castle, Pavilion (Theatre), National Epic, Barracks
Banana Split
Infrastructure: Walls, Castle, Lighthouse, Granary, Monument, Forge, Pavilion (Theatre)
Fried Banana
Infrastructure: Granary, Forge, Walls, Hagia Sophia, Pavilion (Theatre), Castle, Barracks
Doal
Infrastructure: none
Omni Point
Infrastructure: none
Foster
Infrastructure: Pavilion (Theatre)
Androbius
Infrastructure: none

mh

[sooooo]

Thanks again m-h

Oxford is 400 hammers - I'm going to bet that that's what PAL whipped at The Warning. Nothing else really makes sense, since they don't need Shwegadon Paya, University of Sangkore is 550 hammers and the Sistine is 600 hammers.

Just a slight correction: The medieval tech that PAL gifted templars last turn was philosophy, not nationalism.

It looks like we can expect Imperio to finish a bunch of things over the next turn or two.

[mostly-harmless]

Ah, of course. I was only looking at world wonders. Yes Ocford makes way more sense.

mh

[MyOtherCar]

Expect them to up science back up to 100% next turn.

[Sullla]

Templar C&D Soldier count update:



Templars Soldier Points = 303k

Population: 31 pop points = 15k

Technology: Sailing, Hunting, Mining, Animal Husbandry (2k each) = 8k
Wheel, Alphabet, Metal Casting, Compass, Construction (4k each) = 20k
Mathematics, Archery (6k each) = 12k
Bronze Working, Machinery (8k each) = 16k
Horseback Riding, Iron Working (10k each) = 20k
Total = 76k

City Improvements/Wonders
Jerusalem: Barracks, Forge = 5k
Constantinople: Barracks, Forge = 5k
Damascus: Barracks, Forge = 5k
Acre: Barracks = 3k
Total = 18k

This leaves 194k Soldier points for units.

Visible/Known units:

Quechua in extreme south = 2k

Pink Dot stack:
2 maces (9k each) = 18k
1 horse archer = 6k
2 crossbows (7k each) = 14k
1 sword = 6k
3 cats (5k each) = 15k
3 chariots (4k each) = 12k
1 spear = 4k
Total = 75k

Central stack:
1 crossbow = 7k
1 axe = 5k
Total = 12k

Constantinople defense (T150):
1 mace = 9k
1 crossbow = 7k
3 longbows (6k each) = 18k
1 cat = 5k
1 quechua = 2k
Total = 41k

Total visible = 130k
Missing = 64k

Obviously the Pink stack is gone now, which has crippled the Templars badly. That was about 40% of their total military strength right there! However, we are still missing a sizable number of units from them, more than I expected to be honest. I would estimate that about 15k is units built in Constantinople since we last peeked into the city, and the remainder is garrisons in Jerusalem and Damascus. Still, they have enough missing Soldier points to perhaps act a little fiesty if we get careless. When we go on the attack, we have to make sure to do it with overwhelming force.

[mostly-harmless]

Good work Sullla. Keep in mind my happiness evaluation. Templars needs huge numbers of units to keep their people happy. We know from Imperio that there were 5 units in Damascus (during a time those units were needed at the front). Another units produced in Const last turn. One unit produced in Jerusalem this turn.

mh

[dsplaisted]

While I was in PAL's score increased from 1135 to 1138. I'm not sure what that means.

EDIT: Looking at civstats maybe it was 1115 to 1138.

[regoarrarr]

Looks like Imperio's score also increased, so my guess is a tech-trade. Also looks like a Banana / Imperio tech trade

[mostly-harmless]

Oh, oh. Tech trades between Imperio, BAnana and PAL. Not looking good.
Waiting to log in to check.