Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Proteus_MST]

She definitely looks great

[Geronimo]

I am sincerely worried that an actor or group of actors other than Russia may have been stupid enough to sabotage Nordstrom. However, I don't see a motive really makes sense for anyone.

Maybe it would make sense for Russia if they were dogmatically committed to never exporting gas via the pipeline again, but why physically commit to that rather than stringing the recipients along with false hope and total Russian control? Maybe Russia would hope to frame the US to sow discord in NATO but how could they predict how that would play out? Maybe they could foment anti NATO sentiment among Russians but it will do nothing to alleviate Putin's primary domestic concern of perceived weakness or incompetence.

Maybe it could be the US but the timing is strange since the deed would have been least suspicious when Russia first shutdown Nordstrom 1 for maintenance. If the US did this unilaterally it would be incredibly stupid for NATO unity and give the US nothing immediately in return for the risk of discovery. So, I suspect if it wasn't Russia then perhaps the sabotage was endorsed collectively by NATO behind the scenes with those members such as Germany whose interests seem to be directly undemined by the sabotage signing on purely to defuse domestic opposition to maintaining the sanctions. Even that seems stupid as obviously Russia would know it had to be one of them and with Russia and all of NATO in on the "secret" how could they be confident that the secret wouldn't escape to the general public?

I guess the worst consequence of the Nordstrom sabotages seems to be that it means at least one major player or collection of players responsible for avoiding WW3 has added this additional stupidity to the collection of stupid acts we have witnessed from these players (especially Russia) since 24feb2022.

[The Mad Monk]

[N35t0r]

Putin primarily would see distrust and division within NATO as the priceless payoff for the sabotage. I'm sure he views a falling out within NATO and its allies as his best route to victory.

I think that, for him, the internal messaging is the more important outcome, and any possible friction in the west merely a secondary bonus. But that's obviously just my opinion.

[Geronimo]

Except 1) you now see how riled up Serb is about it. Those pipelines were already stopped, and Russia was not going to restart them, so why not use them for something useful?
2) Gazprom can now claim force majeure as to why it is not fulfilling it's gas sale contracts.




It would be extremely dumb for them to do so, especially now. The lines were not pumping any gas, and if it ever comes out they performed terrorist attacks on NATO EEZ on partially NATO -owned infrastructure, they will lose what little trust they have left among the international community (there is a reason not much weight was put on the US' word that the Russians were about to invade Ukraine back in February).

Putin primarily would see distrust and division within NATO as the priceless payoff for the sabotage. I'm sure he views a falling out within NATO and its allies as his best route to victory.

[Bereta_Eder]

of course they fill the average russian's head with bull in order to keep stealing the state.
there are some russians that are like the women of iran fighting for freedom. the others are as boring as the average very poor country that dreams of grandiose things to forget its hunger.

those dreams are being pushed into the russian mind by the murderous kleptocrachy that runms russia. serb is probably a member.

they are nazis because they have betreayed their coutnry. they steal from it and their only aim is to klll their opponent and keep eating.

mother russia will condemn those hypocrits. where you hear patriot it means the one who has stolen the coffers dry.


it does have some surreal appeal though, what with deranged "thinkers" like dungin saying the one crazed seminazi theological bull theory after the other,

as long as the thives keep eating it's all good. keep filling the populace's heads with grandiose bullst.

and it's so freakish, they killed his daughter!!! what kind of dystopian hell is russia.

everyone who has a beef with the west and probably rightly so, has no reason to praise the poots. he diminishes himself and his cause

[Bereta_Eder]

i mean the US and the UK have supported some abhorrent regimes and their social securities are attrocious.
but on the other hand you have russia.

you can always try and change a democracy through presuasion through activism etc in a dictatorship you can't change anything

[Bereta_Eder]

if people were wise they'd acknowledge that there were two ukraines. one that really wanted to go to europe and one that was very russophile and kinda meh about it maybe.

that's because in a totalitarian authrotitarian state led by poots standman those russophiles were king.

Now there were two possibilities that could happen without war.

1. acknowlegde that there are 2 ukraines and devide them amicably.
2. acknowledge there are 2 ukraines but the majority wants to go to europe and in a true democratic fashion respect all the rights of the minority and go to europe.

that if humanity was smart but it isn't.

now russia used those poor fs so that the regime stays in power and noone questions the poots. (my new favorite word)

the west is just the west it doesn't change I think.

in the end of the day it is about freedom and dream. and that go west (for the vast majority of ukranians)

[Proteus_MST]

With Lyman about to fall, will this be the first 'Russian' city captured by Ukraine? This cannot stand, Putin better do something about it.

For example nuking Lyman

[N35t0r]

With Lyman about to fall, will this be the first 'Russian' city captured by Ukraine? This cannot stand, Putin better do something about it.

[BeBMan]

I didn't now that

[Bereta_Eder]

poots(a) means penis in greek slang. so you saying they were not impressmed by the poots takes a whole new meaning

[BeBMan]

So Ukraine encircled Lyman now? Looks like they're not impressed by da Poots yesterday.

[Egbert]

It would be extremely dumb for them to do so, especially now.

The foreign policy of the United States appears driven more by domestic political considerations than by national interest, decency, common sense or even sanity.

[N35t0r]

It would make no sense for the Russian government to blow up that pipeline.

Except 1) you now see how riled up Serb is about it. Those pipelines were already stopped, and Russia was not going to restart them, so why not use them for something useful?
2) Gazprom can now claim force majeure as to why it is not fulfilling it's gas sale contracts.

I would not be even remotely surprised if the Americans did it. I have no reason to believe they did however they can not be trusted.

It would be extremely dumb for them to do so, especially now. The lines were not pumping any gas, and if it ever comes out they performed terrorist attacks on NATO EEZ on partially NATO -owned infrastructure, they will lose what little trust they have left among the international community (there is a reason not much weight was put on the US' word that the Russians were about to invade Ukraine back in February).