Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Berzerker]

I think that what he is trying to imply is that if the Ukrainians do something wrong, then it is a "mistake" and if the Russians do something wrong, then it is a "provocation".

This is faulty by the mere nature of Russia launching an unprovoked land-grabbing invasion and bears full responsibility for ALL "mistakes" and "provocations".

Additionally, the idea that the Trump Presidency delayed this invasion by 4 years is ludicrous unless you believe either Russian collusion theories or that the Russians feared Trump. Neither is likely imo. I think Mad Vlad reached a point where he truly thought he could walk over Ukraine and the West would grudgingly accept it. I don't think even he had any idea of the depths of corruption and mis-management present in the armed forces and procurement system. Dictatorial greed caught up with him.

The story was reported as a Russian attack on a Nato member, that was the 'mistake'. Keep making mistakes and a pattern appears, the media is lying to promote the war in Ukraine. Right after the report Biden demanded another ****load of $$$ for Ukraine. Where do you think that money is going? I think most of it is being laundered to enrich Wall St and the 2 parties, the world is a vampire. As for Trump and why Putin didn't invade, Trump wasn't shoving Nato down his throat and stopped arming Syrian terrorists to topple Assad. Days before Putin invaded Kamala was over there applauding Ukrainian efforts to join while Biden was telling Zelensky they couldn't but to lie so Putin wouldn't know.

[Berzerker]

Meaning you think in news stories only the Ukrainian side mistakes are seen but that Russia is seen to make none?

Sorry, I mean the news stories are propaganda and the one sided nature of their 'mistakes' proves it. The fact Russian TV has been banned and critics of the war silenced or attacked as traitors shows good faith is not part of the equation...and thats more revealing than the news stories.

[PLATO]

I think that what he is trying to imply is that if the Ukrainians do something wrong, then it is a "mistake" and if the Russians do something wrong, then it is a "provocation".

This is faulty by the mere nature of Russia launching an unprovoked land-grabbing invasion and bears full responsibility for ALL "mistakes" and "provocations".

Additionally, the idea that the Trump Presidency delayed this invasion by 4 years is ludicrous unless you believe either Russian collusion theories or that the Russians feared Trump. Neither is likely imo. I think Mad Vlad reached a point where he truly thought he could walk over Ukraine and the West would grudgingly accept it. I don't think even he had any idea of the depths of corruption and mis-management present in the armed forces and procurement system. Dictatorial greed caught up with him.

[Uncle Sparky]

".. and so are the people who created the situation..." except the ones who manufactured the guns. They are pure of heart.

[Geronimo]

news stories

Meaning you think in news stories only the Ukrainian side mistakes are seen but that Russia is seen to make none?

[Berzerker]

"Mistakes keep going one way"? Clarify please.

news stories

[Berzerker]

if you shoot at a cop and they shoot back and hit Kenny both of you are at fault... and so are the people who created the situation and that includes the parties here competing for the honor of being less evil. Notice how Trump (not the GOP) was a 4 year delay? This war was a bipartisan (neocon) effort and even the 'progressives' are in bed with the Cheney clan.

edit: sorry, they aint competing

[Geronimo]

so the missile was Ukrainian and everyone blamed Russia again... when 'mistakes' keep going one way you're listening to propaganda

"Mistakes keep going one way"? Clarify please.

[Berzerker]

so the missile was Ukrainian and everyone blamed Russia again... when 'mistakes' keep going one way you're listening to propaganda

[Berzerker]

Zelenskyy is strongly denying it was an Ukrainian missile, oddly. Even when it is clear that if it was a Ukrainian missile trying (successfully or not) to counter a Russian missile, it would not be Ukraine's fault.

I also think that even if it was a Russian missile and it hit Poland without any interception to deviate it's trajectory, it wasn't done on purpose. It was either a targeting accuracy problem, or the wrong coordinates were loaded into the missile (the site hit has the latitude of Kiev and the longitude of Lvov, so there's a theory going around it might be a problem when loading coordinates from a list into targeting software. I personally think that's too implausible, but there it is).

if you shoot at a cop and they shoot back and hit Kenny both of you are at fault... and so are the people who created the situation and that includes the parties here competing for the honor of being less evil. Notice how Trump (not the GOP) was a 4 year delay? This war was a bipartisan (neocon) effort and even the 'progressives' are in bed with the Cheney clan.

[Berzerker]

It would have mattered had Ukraine been a member, but not because of an errant missile in Poland. I think nato has already done enough, time we claim victory in the cold war and stop effing with people.

[Dinner]

https://youtu.be/O9iuSFmGkdg

[BeBMan]

IIRC S-300 has only a range of few hunded km max (depending on version), so is unlikely to cross from (western) Russia or Crimea into Poland (Lviv-Charkiv, so east/west Ukraine is roughly 1000 km), unless it's been coming from Belarus or it's a different type of missile (if we assume it a Ru missile thing).

[Dinner]

It is possible that it was indeed a Russian rocket which had been misprogrammed by transposing lat-long coordinates. Also Russia has been using S300 missiles as ballistic missiles even though they were designed as SAMs. Likely due to shortages of ballistic missiles.

https://youtu.be/pwXZcT4b5BU

[BeBMan]

Meanwhile, G20 results seems to be like:

- *most" countries strongly condemn the war (joint declaration, "most" is a concession to Moscow not condemning its own war)
- G20 agreed that nook-use *and threat thereof is a NoNo (that is incl. China, India, and Russia)
- countries "welcomed" the grain deal and its continuation
- IIRC none of the other foreign ministers/leaders wanted to meet with poor Lavrov

In short Russia not isolated and winning.