Prediction Thread: When Will Ukraine Conquer Russia

[Geronimo]

news stories

Meaning you think in news stories only the Ukrainian side mistakes are seen but that Russia is seen to make none?

[Berzerker]

"Mistakes keep going one way"? Clarify please.

news stories

[Berzerker]

if you shoot at a cop and they shoot back and hit Kenny both of you are at fault... and so are the people who created the situation and that includes the parties here competing for the honor of being less evil. Notice how Trump (not the GOP) was a 4 year delay? This war was a bipartisan (neocon) effort and even the 'progressives' are in bed with the Cheney clan.

edit: sorry, they aint competing

[Geronimo]

so the missile was Ukrainian and everyone blamed Russia again... when 'mistakes' keep going one way you're listening to propaganda

"Mistakes keep going one way"? Clarify please.

[Berzerker]

so the missile was Ukrainian and everyone blamed Russia again... when 'mistakes' keep going one way you're listening to propaganda

[Berzerker]

Zelenskyy is strongly denying it was an Ukrainian missile, oddly. Even when it is clear that if it was a Ukrainian missile trying (successfully or not) to counter a Russian missile, it would not be Ukraine's fault.

I also think that even if it was a Russian missile and it hit Poland without any interception to deviate it's trajectory, it wasn't done on purpose. It was either a targeting accuracy problem, or the wrong coordinates were loaded into the missile (the site hit has the latitude of Kiev and the longitude of Lvov, so there's a theory going around it might be a problem when loading coordinates from a list into targeting software. I personally think that's too implausible, but there it is).

if you shoot at a cop and they shoot back and hit Kenny both of you are at fault... and so are the people who created the situation and that includes the parties here competing for the honor of being less evil. Notice how Trump (not the GOP) was a 4 year delay? This war was a bipartisan (neocon) effort and even the 'progressives' are in bed with the Cheney clan.

[Berzerker]

It would have mattered had Ukraine been a member, but not because of an errant missile in Poland. I think nato has already done enough, time we claim victory in the cold war and stop effing with people.

[Dinner]

https://youtu.be/O9iuSFmGkdg

[BeBMan]

IIRC S-300 has only a range of few hunded km max (depending on version), so is unlikely to cross from (western) Russia or Crimea into Poland (Lviv-Charkiv, so east/west Ukraine is roughly 1000 km), unless it's been coming from Belarus or it's a different type of missile (if we assume it a Ru missile thing).

[Dinner]

It is possible that it was indeed a Russian rocket which had been misprogrammed by transposing lat-long coordinates. Also Russia has been using S300 missiles as ballistic missiles even though they were designed as SAMs. Likely due to shortages of ballistic missiles.

https://youtu.be/pwXZcT4b5BU

[BeBMan]

Meanwhile, G20 results seems to be like:

- *most" countries strongly condemn the war (joint declaration, "most" is a concession to Moscow not condemning its own war)
- G20 agreed that nook-use *and threat thereof is a NoNo (that is incl. China, India, and Russia)
- countries "welcomed" the grain deal and its continuation
- IIRC none of the other foreign ministers/leaders wanted to meet with poor Lavrov

In short Russia not isolated and winning.

[N35t0r]

Zelenskyy is strongly denying it was an Ukrainian missile, oddly. Even when it is clear that if it was a Ukrainian missile trying (successfully or not) to counter a Russian missile, it would not be Ukraine's fault.

I also think that even if it was a Russian missile and it hit Poland without any interception to deviate it's trajectory, it wasn't done on purpose. It was either a targeting accuracy problem, or the wrong coordinates were loaded into the missile (the site hit has the latitude of Kiev and the longitude of Lvov, so there's a theory going around it might be a problem when loading coordinates from a list into targeting software. I personally think that's too implausible, but there it is).

[Berzerker]

the truth is propaganda

[Dinner]

https://youtu.be/xT1cnveJZ9E

[dannubis]

Ukraine fired at incoming Russian missiles and missed (or hit) so who knows what the final trajectory of the missiles was.