Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Ben Kenobi]

They are adopting kids and the welfare of kids fall under the state.

Then you're going to have to start answering my question about "why isn't it discrimination for the Catholic church to not have women as priests?"

[Bereta_Eder]

And he is doing it yet again. Lying and justifying more of his bigotry.

Well OK. He's like a strange animal in the zoo.
The world is moving forward.

I find it funny how he talks about countries which are at the pinacle of quality of life in the world to somehow say "we won't like where this is heading to"

[Ben Kenobi]

I find it funny how he talks about countries which are at the pinacle of quality of life in the world to somehow say "we won't like where this is heading to"

This is a stunning comment from a Greek. There was a very, very long time when the cultural hegemony *was* Greek. And not so long ago, either.

[Bereta_Eder]

This is a stunning comment from a Greek.

How so?

[Ben Kenobi]

The largest, most prominent empire in the world used Greek as their language, spread Greek culture everywhere it went, and was a bastion of culture and education - the Byzantine Empire.

[Bereta_Eder]

There was a very, very long time when the cultural hegemony *was* Greek. And not so long ago, either.

Oh. It's still Greek. Has been so since the rennaiscance with a small break during the middle ages.

[Ming]

Teaching what the catechism teaches on marriage is not hate. Well, I suppose you can label it hate. That doesn't make you wrong - it just means you're no longer Catholic. I'm sure many 'Catholics' believe as you do because they want to change the teachings and labeling their opponents as 'bigots' is one way to accomplish that.

Once again... BK thinks he's the ultimate authority on who is a Catholic and who isn't. One more time... I have no intention of practicing gay sex. But I also show my neighbors respect and don't discriminate against them. Their religious beliefs are as valid as mine, and I respect that. I'm not calling you a bigot because I want to change the teachings of the church... I'm calling you a bigot because that's what you are.

I'm sure that when the state inevitably comes for us - you'll be right there along with them tearing it all down. You'll be finally cheering at 'destroying the bigots', just like the folks in England, in Scotland, in Denmark, in Sweden, and in Germany so many years ago who did the same thing.

You are right that I will always cheer when people who discriminate are prosecuted for their illegal actions.
But please quote where I have ever said or supported the idea that the state should come for Catholics... Oh that's right, you can't.
I never have... I have simply supported the right of religious freedom for all and not simply Catholics.
You just make crap up in a lame attempt to justify your own hate and bigotry.

[Ben Kenobi]

BK thinks he's the ultimate authority on who is a Catholic and who isn't

If you're not following the catechism, you're not Catholic.

because I want to change the teachings of the church

And that's my point. You complain that I'm the 'ultimate authority', and then turn around and say, "this is where the Church is wrong". In essence you are arguing that you have better moral standard than the Catholic church.

said or supported the idea that the state should come for Catholics

cheer when people who discriminate are prosecuted for their illegal actions

Why isn't the Catholic church excluding women from the priesthood discriminatory?

[Bereta_Eder]

Byzantium was pretty cool but it was a medieval society.
Now it's only big in Russia and just because Putin is there.

[Ming]

The Catholic church teaches clearly that willfully depriving a child of a mother or a father is wrong. They had a choice between being Catholic or being an adoption agency, which is a straight up violation of the First Amendment.

And the courts don't agree with you lack of legal expertise. Yet again you keep making crap up. The Courts have ruled multiple times, and your argument is wrong.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh. It's still Greek. Has been so since the rennaiscance with a small break during the middle ages.

I would argue that Greek was the strongest even in the middle ages, down to about the 13th century or so. It was only after the 4th Crusade that this changed. Prior to this, Greek was stronger. You could argue maybe after the 11th after Mazikert, but I don't really see it.

[Bereta_Eder]

I would argue that Greek was the strongest even in the middle ages, down to about the 13th century or so. It was only after the 4th Crusade that this changed. Prior to this, Greek was stronger. You could argue maybe after the 11th after Mazikert, but I don't really see it.

No, I'm talking about a greek cosmotheory. Basically the whole western world is based on it. The only time it "shifted" was during the middle ages when the church was all too powerful.

[Ben Kenobi]

And the courts don't agree with you lack of legal expertise. Yet again you keep making crap up. The Courts have ruled multiple times, and your argument is wrong.

Some things can be accommodated. Forcing the Church to place children without a mother or a father, is something that we cannot accommodate.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, I'm talking about a greek cosmotheory. Basically the whole western world is based on it. The only time it "shifted" was during the middle ages when the church was all too powerful.

Preaching to the choir here. Which may surprise some. I like my Latin, but I'm first and foremost a westerner. Western culture is based on Greek, and God help us all if we forget that.

[Bereta_Eder]

Preaching to the choir here. Which may surprise some. I like my Latin, but I'm first and foremost a westerner. Western culture is based on Greek, and God help us all if we forget that.

Well then, if we don't count the slaves and the women, everyone else had equal rights.
Now this is improved and there are no slaves and women also have rights.