Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Ming]

Right. As if Catholics aren't a persecuted religious minority in the United States.

Gee... justifying your discrimination because you think you are being discriminated against. WOW!
You would think that would make you more sensitive to discrimination and not want to practice it yourself... instead of using it spew hate against others.
It's wrong to discriminate period. Follow the teachings of your own Pope.
Again, nobody is making you marry a person of your own sex... but you are the one telling others they can't practice their own faiths.
You are the one discriminating against other religions and other people...

[Bereta_Eder]

No, your population is not made up of brits.
First are germans, then africans, then someone other I can't remember (probably irish) and then english.

Anyway, the only country which is not dependent on immigration for its working force is Japan.

Don't know much about Japan.

[Giancarlo]

Right. As if Catholics aren't a persecuted religious minority in the United States.

Again they can practice whatever religion they want. that is what the first amendment covers. It does not allow you to employ outright discrimination. Do me a favor and actually read what the first amendment says. You are starting to sound like Dumpster.

[Giancarlo]

Right. If you took the time to understand my post - you'd understand that the top line 'growth' rates for Europe are not what they seem. Also, counting immigration in a rant against population is silly. There's a difference between moving people from one bin to another and new people altogether.

Again you are spouting out of your ass. You need to go back to college. And I mean a real college. Not a private christian one.

[Ben Kenobi]

Nobody is stopping Catholics from religious exercise... But that doesn't mean you don't have to follow the law and not discriminate.

Arguing that Catholics cannot run an adoption agency in accordance with Catholic principles is a defacto violation of our First Amendment rights to freedom of religious exercise. What's next, arguing that Catholic soup kitchens which include a Gospel reading are discriminatory?

Time after time you keep claiming the the First Amendment gives you the right to discriminate and time after the time the Courts disagree with you.

Oh. Why then can't we force Catholic churches to have women pastors? Isn't that discriminatory?

You keep claiming the law is on your side, yet it isn't. Your argument losses in court.

No, I argue that the First Amendment is on my side.

[Giancarlo]

The LGBT minority is the most discriminated, slandered and vilified in this country. You have an entire political party working to destroy LGBT people from ever having a voice. And you have the audacity to talk about Catholics supposedly being discriminate against? Who the **** do you think you are?

[Ben Kenobi]

No, your population is not made up of brits.

Why then do we speak English and not, say, German? The largest national origin for Canadians and American colonists was England.

[Bereta_Eder]

Why then do we speak English and not, say, German? The largest national origin for Canadians and American colonists was England.

I don't know why but your "English" component is well down the line

[Giancarlo]

If you want to argue the first amendment is on your side, actually read the damn thing for once! The first amendment doesn't allow for active discrimination. Adoption agencies are in the public sphere therefore are subject to the same laws that outlawed segregation.

[Ben Kenobi]

Again they can practice whatever religion they want.

But we can't. That's the point. They've shut down the Catholic adoption agencies in Massachusetts because they are given the option of shutting down or violating the principles of their faith. That is a straight up and down violation of Catholics' First Amendment rights.

[Bereta_Eder]

But we can't. That's the point. They've shut down the Catholic adoption agencies in Massachusetts because they are given the option of shutting down or violating the principles of their faith. That is a straight up and down violation of Catholics' First Amendment rights.

Oh come on. Church and State are two different things. If you want osmosis go to Iran.

Countries live by their constitution. That means equal rights for everyone.

[Ben Kenobi]

justifying your discrimination because you think you are being discriminated against.

You're perfectly willing to discriminate against people. The issue isn't discrimination, but rather, "what do you believe are the values that society ought to protect". For you homosexuality is more important than religious exercise.

[Giancarlo]

But we can't. That's the point. They've shut down the Catholic adoption agencies in Massachusetts because they are given the option of shutting down or violating the principles of their faith. That is a straight up and down violation of Catholics' First Amendment rights.

Oh for crying ****ing out loud. You are free to follow whatever religion you want. You cannot push discrimination in the public sphere. I already posted facts showing gay people are four times more likely to adopt. That is not straight up violating the first amendment.

You blindsided idiot... You are using the same argument segregationists used to justify discrimination. Same **** different day.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh come on. Church and State are two different things. If you want osmosis go to Iran.

It's a free country. There are private agencies of all sorts. Or at least, there were...

[Giancarlo]

It is painfully obvious Ben has never actually read the constitution. That so called history degree he has doesn't amount to anything.