Also, I like how you link the article and then lie about what it says.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSex outside of one man and one woman in marriage. Also - not having sex at all in marriage. Conjugality is very important.
Originally posted by Elok View PostIIRC, Jesus also said nothing about sacrificing to idols--because he was preaching almost exclusively to Jews, who were in little danger of doing either.
EDIT: He did, however, modify the Mosaic law on sexual conduct, and punishment for infractions of same, in a couple of ways. Just not for homosexuality.
How do you explain that, Ben?
How can Jesus support marriage laws you like when he didn't even want laws against adultery?
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Originally posted by N35t0r View PostYeah, never mind that christians are being routinely massacred in the middle east, or that priests are abusing kids, that's clearly secondary.
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Berz, you're giving some very good examples of why Sola Scriptura is wrong, but not doing much for homosexuality.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostRight now, we have a mayor in Houston, Annise Parker subpoenaing pastors for their speech requiring her consultation before they can be preached. Why? Because she's a lesbian and she can't have pastors preaching against her.
This HAS become the number 1 issue facing Christians today.
http://time.com/3514166/houston-past...ns-subpoenaed/I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostJesus said being married and not having sex is a sin? The verse was about divorce, his answer was about divorce and why men should not dump their wives - because Adam didn't do that to Eve. He was not explaining who may or must have sex, but your interpretation would have us believe a man who neither married or had kids is lecturing the rest of us about marrying and having kids. Conjugality wasn't very important to him. You're reading way too much into his attempt to shame men for dumping their wives, your logic makes Jesus look like a hypocrite for not following his own advice.
Jesus endorsed the 10 Commandments and it forbids graven images, but how did the Jews acquire an immunity to homosexuality?
I dont see where Jesus mentioned gays, but he did oppose punishing adulterers.
How do you explain that, Ben?
How can Jesus support marriage laws you like when he didn't even want laws against adultery?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Yes, but Berz, you're getting it all wrong. Jesus specifically got the crowd to not stone the adulterous woman (IIRC the whole incident is believed to be a later interpolation, but let's accept it as an oral tradition); he did not outlaw all punishments for all sexual misconduct under all circumstances. He also specifically told her to "sin no more," so if you're pointing at the story as an instance of indulging sin, you're off. Re: homosexuality, the Jews were in no danger of thinking homosexuality was acceptable, since the Law explicitly forbids it. If Jesus did not revise the Law as it pertains to homosexuality, but did revise it as it pertains to other sexual behaviors, why would you assume He was suddenly okay with homosexuality? And your reading of the "one flesh" bit is just Why would he be a hypocrite for opposing divorce but not getting married himself?
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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostThe burden of proof is on those citing Jesus as their moral authority to include homosexuals on their list of sinners. Other than asking for and verifying that proof what else am I to do?I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Also, I like how you link the article and then lie about what it says.
How is it a lie? She's actually saying she has a right to tell pastors what they can preach in their sermons. Why? Because she's lesbian and she doesn't want them preaching that homosexuality is sinful.
Do you want me to read out Abbott's smackdown? It's open and shut breach of the constitutional rights of Christians to free exercise of religion and freedom of speech.
Do you not see this, Nestor?
Or is this something you support?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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maybe 1 in Houston.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Elok View PostYes, but Berz, you're getting it all wrong. Jesus specifically got the crowd to not stone the adulterous woman (IIRC the whole incident is believed to be a later interpolation, but let's accept it as an oral tradition); he did not outlaw all punishments for all sexual misconduct under all circumstances. He also specifically told her to "sin no more," so if you're pointing at the story as an instance of indulging sin, you're off.
Re: homosexuality, the Jews were in no danger of thinking homosexuality was acceptable, since the Law explicitly forbids it. If Jesus did not revise the Law as it pertains to homosexuality, but did revise it as it pertains to other sexual behaviors, why would you assume He was suddenly okay with homosexuality?
And your reading of the "one flesh" bit is just Why would he be a hypocrite for opposing divorce but not getting married himself?
Do as I say, not as I do
Originally posted by Kidicious View PostIf your reason for believing He thought it isn't sin, that he didn't say it was, that's kind if a weak reason IMO.
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Originally posted by Berzerker View PostI'm pointing to the story because if Jesus opposed laws for punishing adulterers (a violation of a Commandment) then he would not have supported laws to punish gays.I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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He'd be hypocritical for telling people "Sex outside of one man and one woman in marriage. Also - not having sex at all in marriage. Conjugality is very important."
Are you arguing that everyone who chooses not to marry someone is sinning?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSubpoenaing speeches for their content? And this doesn't concern you in the slightest? Sure as hell concerns me.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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