White supremacist executed for Texas dragging

[Hauldren Collider]

I never said I supported it, you ******. Pay more attention. As long as you're asserting blatant falsehoods, I'll call you an idiot for it.

[rah]

I no longer support the DP like I did when I was younger. I still think it does some good but in practice has been administered unfairly.

I always believed it was a deterrent. Studies have not always supported that opinion, and I will agree that it has no such influence on murders done in passion and most premeditated situations because I also agree that they don't care or don't believe they'll be caught.

But when I was researching it when I was younger, I reviewed a lot interviews with detainees in jail. Mostly those that committed crimes using fake weapons. When asked why they used fake weapons in their crimes, one of the most popular answers was they they were afraid of the DP if caught. Since it's rare that anyone will die in a burglary/robbery where the criminal is using a fake gun I can only assume that the DP did prevent some accidental murders during crimes.

But as stated, I don't think that offsets the way it's administered.

But if I thought that innocent people weren't executed, or that it wasn't more used on minorities, I would probably still support it fully.

[Dinner]

WRT my early discussion about the financial costs of the death penalty vs life in prison:

The state of California recently did a review of costs and changes needed to make the system absolutely above reproach. The review was ordered by the previous Republican governor in light of possible innocent people being put to death in other states and the commission issued several recommendations to help prevent such a thing from happening here; unfortunately the proposed changes would double the cost of executions so the state is reviewing all options.

I decided to give this state as an example because instead of offering generalities we could use actual specific budget numbers:

California

See DPIC's Summary of 2011 California Cost Study by Judge Arthur L. Alarcon


Report of the California Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice


“The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California’s current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.”

• Using conservative rough projections, the Commission estimates the annual costs of the present (death penalty) system to be $137 million per year.
• The cost of the present system with reforms recommended by the Commission to ensure a fair process would be $232.7 million per year.
• The cost of a system in which the number of death-eligible crimes was significantly narrowed would be $130 million per year.
• The cost of a system which imposes a maximum penalty of lifetime incarceration instead of the death penalty would be $11.5 million per year.

(Commission on the Fair Administration of Justice, June 30, 2008).

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

So enacting the required reforms would approximately double death penalty costs per year, limiting death penalty to the worst offenders would save a minor amount of money, while life in prison costs less then 1/10th using current practices but 1/20th using the reformed process. That's how one state figures the numbers add up (notice how it is 1/20th of their estimated execution costs? I think I was pretty conservative with 2-5 times which I posted early). From a financial standpoint the death penality just doesn't make much sense because it costs SO MUCH more than just locking them in jail forever.

[kentonio]

Like Rah I'd probably support it if you could guarantee that no innocent people would be effected, but we can't. It also doesn't act as a deterrent anyway, its just a way of us feeling better about the world.

Oh and this thread takes on a whole new light if you read DP as double penetration instead.

[giblets]

Which empirical reasons, gribb?

I don't have enough confidence in their ability to avoid putting innocent people to death and I think it costs too much money. If these things were addressed then I wouldn't mind the death penalty for people who commit horrendous crimes.

[Ben Kenobi]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Adios mf.

[kentonio]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Adios mf.

For a christian you like violence quite a lot.

[giblets]

Without the death penalty would his religion even exist?

[kentonio]

Fair point.

[Lorizael]

Without the death penalty would his religion even exist?

[Ben Kenobi]

For a christian you like violence quite a lot.

You are doing an excellent job of encouraging me to stay on your side of this argument, btw.

Without the death penalty would his religion even exist?

Catholic church is against the DP, last I checked. But I don't suppose you really know much about anything.

[DaShi]

Four. Bahamas, Japan, Singapore, and the United States.

It's not a death penalty in Japan. It's assisted honorable suicide.

[Docfeelgood]

It's not a death penalty in Japan. It's assisted honorable suicide.

thought you were dead?

[Kidlicious]

Feel free. I'm not ashamed of it at all.

Shame requires intelligence.

[Kidlicious]

For a christian you like violence quite a lot.

Some christians (including myself), believe that some people are evil. I'm inclined to.believe that this guy who revieved the dp is evil, although I'm not suppose to judge people. That said I can't judge anyone and have to do.God's work by everyone. btw Im against dp.