White supremacist executed for Texas dragging

[Asher]

No, because it could be for that guy in Norway, who has done nothing to me or anyone I know.

Yet still my innate sense of justice says he deserves punishment. We all agree with that.

DP is a punishment. You have to provide an argument about why it is barbaric, there is no reason to believe it is so.

I am amused that I'm being asked to explain to a Christian why killing someone is wrong and barbaric.

I'm not using murder incorrectly. I said it's state-sanctioned murder. It's legal by the state's laws, but not by morality and certainly not by international standards.

[Jon Miller]

Personally, if we are looking at what I consider to be measures of something being barbaric, 15-25 years of imprisonment (at least in the US) are more barbaric than the DP.

The big reason to prefer them over the DP is because of this 'injustice' issue.

JM

[Lorizael]

When a animal is rabid it is put down....same for a man.

Rabies is exceedingly rare in humans.

[Jon Miller]

I am amused that I'm being asked to explain to a Christian why killing someone is wrong and barbaric.

I'm not using murder incorrectly. I said it's state-sanctioned murder. It's legal by the state's laws, but not by morality and certainly not by international standards.

How do international standards imply it is illegal?

How is it worse morally than sending someone to prison for 25 years or even 10?

JM

[Docfeelgood]

I believe they are punished twice. Mans law and the law of G-D.

[Lorizael]

Since when do we give people with rabies lethal injections?

Lethal injection isn't necessary, since surviving rabies (without vaccination) is virtually unheard of.

[Docfeelgood]

Definition of RABID. 1. a: extremely violent : furious b: going to extreme lengths in expressing or pursuing a feeling, interest, or opinion

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[The Mad Monk]

and yet when versions of that scenario are played out in various experiments, when people have to choose to actively take a life to prevent a possible future accident, the majority can't choose to do that, because they feel it's so wrong to actively take a life.

There are times when you must close the hatch.

[Jon Miller]

I am amused that I'm being asked to explain to a Christian why killing someone is wrong and barbaric.

Standard Christian dogma is that all are sinners, and that all sinners deserve death.

Why would we think that punishing (killing) someone is fundamentally wrong and barbaric.

Those who think that all killing is 100% wrong believe so because it possibly takes away an opportunity for an individual to experience God's mercy. Or that as sinners we don't have that right to punish someone else for their sin. Not because they think that killing is inherently wrong and barbaric.

JM

[Lorizael]

There are times when you must close the hatch.

Most humans will never be faced with a "close the hatch" scenario. I don't know if you're making this argument, but the death penalty is not analogous. Time is largely not an issue as it concerns death penalty cases, whereas time is the issue when you must "close the hatch."

[Elok]

I'd like to point out that the idea of DP-as-deterrent would seem to depend on murderers actually following the news and having a good grasp of how the law works. Thank you.

[Docfeelgood]

I'm sure this guy is a dirt bag and all plus what he did was horrible but I'm not sure execution in this case really made sense for tax payers. Since executions often cost three to five times more then life in prison I'm not sure they make financial sense in most cases especially since the hypothesized deterred effect cannot be actually measured in any objective way. That's why there are endless debates with both sides simply saying "Yes there is!", "No, there is not!".

Honestly, since the proposed deterrent effect can't be proved one way or another it should be a nonissue and we should make decisions mostly based on 1) Which measures protect the general population best and 2) Which measures are most cost effective. Both life in prison and execution protect the general population equally well while executions cost so much more then life in prison so I know which one we should objectively be leaning towards.

I still want to keep capital punishment legal but reserve it for the worst of the worst, like serial killers, because that will not only save us money but also prevent the accidental killing of innocent people. Speaking of killing innocent men... Did you guys hear about the innocent guy Perry had executed in Texas? It's true, DNA evidence proved the guy was innocent but Perry refused to stop the execution because he feared looking weak on crime (according to his email). Yep, his own attorney general said the guy was likely-innocent and Perry said fry him any way because he wanted to look like a manly-man. **** Perry.

I'll dig up a link on this in the morning but I'm tired right now.

Cameron Todd Willingham was convicted of murdering his three daughters by burning down his house in 1991. He was later executed in 2004 in Texas.Despite the fact that the Texas Forensic Science Commission found that the arson claims were doubtful and Willingham’s wife disputed the claim that Willinham had killed his daughters to cover up abuse allegations, Governor Rick Perry did not grant a pardon to Willingham

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[Kidlicious]

This is what I think about punishment. Those who recieve punishment are lucky because ot affords thopportunity to repent. So many sins aren't punished by man. In fact they are rewarded. I'm not particularly concerned with punishment. It's when you sin and peoplde say good job, you are a good person. Those are the sins to beware of.

[Dinner]

Oh, that's bull****. Georgia doesn't hold very many executions, less than two per year, and they get so many appeals there's no way you can claim structural racism.

Let's see, both states continued the execution process even after they were presented with proof positive that the main was not guilty? Georgia went ahead after several delays so they at least played lip service to not wanting to murder an innocent man before killing an innocent man but old Gov. Perry of Texas said in his email he was afraid of looking soft on crime so he just went ahead and had the innocent main fried anyway. Perry is a subhuman piece of **** worse then most Republicans; he's so worried about being seen as a manly-man that he forgot to be a ****ing human being or even caring if he was executing the right man or not.

See, this sort of "immorality" actually matters in a leader. It doesn't matter that Clinton got a BJ because you KNOW he would never have proceeded with executing an innocent man but Perry is such a tiny immoral scared little child he went ahead because he was afraid of appearing soft on crime. What a **** sucker.

[MrFun]

I am okay with innocent people being put to death accidentally so long as at the end of the day we have saved more lives through prevented murder.

Wow . . .

this is going in my sig. congrats