Oslo bombed

[BlackCat]

So you can only use it when someones admits they are going to break the law again after they are released? That seems ineffective.

No, you can use it if it's a serial criminal - despite the extreme of what has happened, there are currently no reason to belive that he would do it again.

[Dinner]

Here is a link to his whole 1500+ page manufesto: http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-co...dependence.pdf

He hates Muslims
He hates multiculturalism
He talks about the "elites" at lot and complains about the universities -- typical fear of education
He talks about how those who oppose these things, like he does, are "patriots" -- how typical for the lunatics to endlessly tell everyone how they are the real patriots
He complains a lot about political correctness
He complains about sexual freedom -- he prefers a world in which the government monitors bedroom activities
He complains about feminism
He complains about secularism
He wants the entire discipline of sociology removed from academia because "only a small minority of sociologists aren't traitors" -- again, more fear of education, combined with the idea that those who think differently than him, especially those in academia, are "traitors"
He complains about the media
He hates immigration
He approvingly quotes conservative American writers Mark Steyn, Daniel Pipes and Ayn Rand
He hates Al Gore and Barack Obama -- because they're "Eco-Marxists"...
He thinks Global warming is a massive conspiracy...

This guy is sounding almost straight out of the American right wing play book. He's no doubt mentally ill but he'd fit in at Republican events based on his political positions.

[BlackCat]

Awesome, he has 20 years to figure out how to beat his personal best. If this happened in Texas he would just get put to death.

Surely, in this case Texan style judgement would be appropriate - unfortunatedly, that style has a tendency to murder innocents in large amounts. I think that I prefer the Norwegian way.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's my project for tomorrow to read his english translation of the whole thing. So far I haven't stopped him yet.

They must use words it forbids, and refuse to use the words it mandates; remember, sex is better than gender.

They must shout from the housetops the realities it seeks to suppress, such as our opposition to Sharia on a national and local level, the Islamisation of our countries, the
facts that violent crime is disproportionately committed by Muslims and that most casesof AIDS are voluntary, i.e., acquired from immoral sexual acts.

They must refuse to turn their children over to public schools.

14 pages in still waiting for something I find objectionable.

23 pages in, and he's writing about Cardinal John Henry Newman.

On the study of history:

Instead, they are offered a choice of courses under the heading of “American Cultures.” According to one recent graduate at Stanford, it is impossible to fulfill the “American Cultures” requirement by studying Protestantism, Irish Americans, or the American West, while courses that do fulfill the requirement include “Film and Literature: US-Mexico Border Representations” and “Contemporary Ethnic Drama.” Stanford students must also take courses in “World
Cultures” and “Gender Studies” that include “Chicana Expressive Culture” and “Misogyny and Feminism in the Renaissance.”

Page 28:

"And sadly, we see that several European countries allow and fund free distribution of contraceptive pills combined with liberal abortion policies"

Finally. Found one. I disagree with his historical assessment of feminism, but that's it.

Interesting. He has quite a few strong words for the Catholic Church, and uses her terminology, as he were a communicant. Objects to the post-Vatican 2 council issues.

And, then we see why. Ok. I think I know where he's coming from now. Took 58 pages.

[giblets]

Surely, in this case Texan style judgement would be appropriate - unfortunatedly, that style has a tendency to murder innocents in large amounts. I think that I prefer the Norwegian way.

At least when Ben Kenobi goes on a shooting rampage in San Antonio, he won't get another chance.

[Al B. Sure!]

That's my project for tomorrow to read his english translation of the whole thing. So far I haven't stopped him yet.

For what?

Ben will probably be nodding the whole time reading it.

[BlackCat]

At least when Ben Kenobi goes on a shooting rampage in San Antonio, he won't get another chance.

Well, we reintroduced the death penalty for a couple of years after WWII to get rid of certain people, so maybe the Norwegians will do the same (actually, I think that they did the same).

Could we make a deal - all on death row are suspended indefinitly until Ben has been executed after wich their cases are reevaluated ?

[Asher]

Yeah I did see the video posted. Other then the whole, you know, jump off the deep end and kill 90 people yeah, he's just like me.

The impression I get from the profile is that he's a liberal christian, not one of those wacko fundies like me.

You're a ****ing ******. He is, by his own admission, a Christian conservative. EVERYTHING indicates as such.

Further, he is ALARMINGLY like you in that he was not born into his faith. He came into it around the same time you did. He held extreme viewpoints that you also share.

[Asher]

He hates Muslims
He hates multiculturalism
He talks about the "elites" at lot and complains about the universities -- typical fear of education
He talks about how those who oppose these things, like he does, are "patriots" -- how typical for the lunatics to endlessly tell everyone how they are the real patriots
He complains a lot about political correctness
He complains about sexual freedom -- he prefers a world in which the government monitors bedroom activities
He complains about feminism
He complains about secularism
He wants the entire discipline of sociology removed from academia because "only a small minority of sociologists aren't traitors" -- again, more fear of education, combined with the idea that those who think differently than him, especially those in academia, are "traitors"
He complains about the media
He hates immigration
He approvingly quotes conservative American writers Mark Steyn, Daniel Pipes and Ayn Rand
He hates Al Gore and Barack Obama -- because they're "Eco-Marxists"...
He thinks Global warming is a massive conspiracy...

To be clear, you are talking about our very own Ben Kenobi, ya?

[SlowwHand]

He complains a lot about political correctness.
He hates Al Gore and Barack Obama.

[Riesstiu IV]

I would have thought he would have loved Obama for escalating the war in Afghanistan, ordering Bin Laden's death, and attacking Libya.

[Ben Kenobi]

Still, there are pockets of resistance. Professor Sigurd Skirbekk[26] at the University of
Oslo questions many of the assumptions underlying Western immigration policies. One of
them is the notion that rich countries have a duty to take in all people from other nations
that are suffering, either from natural disasters, political repression or overpopulation.
According to him, it cannot be considered moral of the cultural, political and religious
elites of these countries to allow their populations to grow unrestrained and then push
their excess population onto other countries.

"Skirbekk points out that European countries have earlier rejected the Germans when
they used the argument of lebensraum as a motivation for their foreign policy. We should
do the same thing now when other countries invoke the argument that they lack space
for their population. According to him, there is plenty of literature available about the
ecological challenges the world will be facing in this century. Running a too liberal
immigration policy while refusing to confront such unpleasant moral issues is not a
sustainable alternative in the long run. We will then only push difficult dilemmas onto
future generations."

He doesn't see people as having intrinsic worth and value. He sees them as being burdens on the planet. How that squares with contraception doesn't make much sense to me,

[Ben Kenobi]

Further, he is ALARMINGLY like you in that he was not born into his faith. He came into it around the same time you did. He held extreme viewpoints that you also share.

His faith is not the same as mine. I can tell you that. He has the same joy and the love for the Church that I can see in his writings a longing for the past when things were different. Our contact with the Church has been very different. Mine has been wholly positive. All the best things in my life have come from the church. He has not had that same contact.

In writing on the Crusades, he argues:

"But this must be understood in historical context."

This is a really crucial difference. He believes that history must be understood in context and that we cannot hold people accountable for doing things that we ourselves would see wrong. The problem with this view, is that it's not the one that the sources themselves wrote of at the time. They saw the Crusades as a defensive action in response to Islam.

And we see it later. He needs an editor.

[Al B. Sure!]

He doesn't see people as having intrinsic worth and value. He sees them as being burdens on the planet. How that squares with contraception doesn't make much sense to me,

Nothing in that quote indicates he's concerned about 'burden on the planet'. He's only concerned about burdens to what he views as European culture. Any ecological impact to support his positions is just a bonus.

[Al B. Sure!]

They saw the Crusades as a defensive action in response to Islam.

As do you