Oslo bombed

[giblets]

I wish I was a law enforcement expert.

[KrazyHorse]

This is why civilians must arm themselves. The police cannot be everywhere at once.

The cops CAN be asked to get somewhere in well under an HOUR, though.

Modern societies have standing police forces for precisely this reason. Their first job is to contain outbreaks of violence quickly. If they can't do that then we have regressed to an 18th century state of law and order.

[KrazyHorse]

I wish I was a law enforcement expert.

You don't have to be an expert to see what is wrong with the cops' reaction.

[Al B. Sure!]

Isn't this island near a town or something? Doesn't that town have a police force? Why did the police have to come all the way from Oslo?

[BeBMan]

I thought the town it's near to was Oslo? Could be wrong....

[Docfeelgood]

The cops CAN be asked to get somewhere in well under an HOUR, though.

Modern societies have standing police forces for precisely this reason. Their first job is to contain outbreaks of violence quickly. If they can't do that then we have regressed to an 18th century state of law and order.

Maybe we should regress. If the victims had been armed this nut may have had second thoughts about shooting armed people. Just need to even the playing field a bit.

[BeBMan]

Isn't this island near a town or something? Doesn't that town have a police force? Why did the police have to come all the way from Oslo?

Just looked it up, it's 30km from Oslo. Whatever that means for the police response...

[Kitschum]

Something just jumped out at me as I was skimming ABB's manifesto/journal/cut&paste repository. On p. 1379, where he's holding a Q&A session with himself(?):

Q: What tipped the scales for you? What single event made you decide you wanted to continue planning and moving on with the assault?

A: For me, personally, it was my government’s involvement in the attacks on Serbia (NATO bombings in 1999) several years back. It was completely unacceptable how the US and Western European regimes bombed our Serbian brothers. All they wanted was to drive Islam out by deporting the Albanian Muslims back to Albania. When the Albanians refused, they really didn’t have any choice but to use military force. By disallowing the Serbians the right for self-determination over their sovereign territory they indirectly dug a grave for Europe. A future where several Mini-Pakistan’s would eventually will be created in every Western European capital. This is unacceptable, completely unacceptable.

That reminds me of another political murder. Swedish Foreign Minister, Anna Lindh (social democrat), who was stabbed to death by Mijailo Mijailovic in 2003. Here's from a profile of him:

"Mijailovic himself told police as he confessed to the killing: "I think it was Jesus, that he has chosen me."

An "inner voice" told him to attack Lindh when he entered the NK department store where she was clothes shopping without bodyguards, he said.

"One can't resist the voices, one can't manage to stand up to them. They are a real pain when they come," he told police.

But investigators have ruled out the possibility of an act dictated by temporary madness, believing instead that he had every intention of killing the popular foreign minister.

Mijailovic himself claims that he had no political motive, but witnesses have told Swedish newspapers that he "hated Anna Lindh", and never forgave her for her backing of NATO airstrikes against Belgrade in 1999.

"He was very affected when Lindh said that it was OK to bomb Serbia," during the war in Kosovo, a friend of Mijailovic told Aftonbladet.

"He's a patriot. Serbia before everything else. He wanted to participate in the war when he was 15 years old," the friend added."

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1056734/posts

If that is true, the attack on the Norwegian Labour Party on Friday might have been only the second political attack in Scandinavia that was motivated (in part, yes, but possibly crucially) by the intervention in Kosovo.

There's no reason that I know to believe there's a personal connection between Breivik and Mijailovic. They do appear to be two very different personalities. The former is a methodical and cold-blooded killer who'd apparently been planning years ahead and the other's a known psych patient who murdered opportunistically. I still find it an odd coincidence.

[Cort Haus]

They were as young as 14, DFG. Anyway, I don't think this should turn into another gun thread. Maybe start another one.

[Docfeelgood]

They were as young as 14, DFG. Anyway, I don't think this should turn into another gun thread. Maybe start another one.

I'm just saying that they should have had a fighting chance.

[Nikolai]

I thought the town it's near to was Oslo? Could be wrong....

It's 50 km from Oslo and the nearest city (which is very small, more like a village if it had been in a more populous country I guess) is 20 km away if I remember correctly. Oslo was the closest city with the right personnel according to the police. If only the police had sent in a helicopter as per KH's suggestion...

[Nikolai]

Just looked it up, it's 30km from Oslo. Whatever that means for the police response...

It's 5 mil from Oslo AFAIR. 1mil = 10 km.

[Docfeelgood]

It's 50 km from Oslo and the nearest city (which is very small, more like a village if it had been in a more populous country I guess) is 20 km away if I remember correctly. Oslo was the closest city with the right personnel according to the police. If only the police had sent in a helicopter as per KH's suggestion...

would it had made a difference? sending a helicopter

[Docfeelgood]

This was a well thought out plan. Knowing the police would take a while to get to the island. Being on a island with the victims no where to run. pure evil

[giblets]

would it had made a difference? sending a helicopter

How long do you think it takes for a helicopter to travel 50 km?