Oslo bombed

[Docfeelgood]

How long do you think it takes for a helicopter to travel 50 km?

but, would it have made a difference? just speculating

[giblets]

but, would it have made a difference? just speculating

Getting there in ~15 minutes instead of getting there in an hour? Maybe he would have only gotten 20 people.

[Docfeelgood]

Getting there in ~15 minutes instead of getting there in an hour? Maybe he would have only gotten 20 people.

I see

[Docfeelgood]

I'm just speculating. He was dressed as a policeman. Those on the helicopter may have become victims as well.

[giblets]

Probably smart enough to come up with a costume like that.

[KrazyHorse]

No ****. But they would have stood a better chance than unarmed teenagers. And would have at least slowed him down substantially.

[giblets]

Wait, so two guys in a helicopter land, get out and try to confront him just to "slow him down", the mass murderer wins, and flies away in the helicopter?

[germanos]

Here is a link to his whole 1500+ page manufesto: http://www.kevinislaughter.com/wp-co...dependence.pdf

This is possibly the best documented terror-attack ever. The time-line at the end is eerie reading. It appears to run unto the moment he stepped into his car towards Oslo.
He's intelligent and dedicated, it's gut wrenching(?) to read how he consciously sets up his plan to kill as many as possible for 'the cause'. The guy is full of himself. The Q&A session before that is exhibitionistic. So is his professed martyrdom in the light that he has let himself be captured. I suspect he wants to let the world know for a long time to come what he did by standing trial and be a martyr in his cell.

This all has a Charles Manson smell around it.

[Kitschum]

If the victims had been armed this nut may have had second thoughts about shooting armed people. Just need to even the playing field a bit.

Socialist pacifists teenagers with handguns. That seems hard to swallow.

I gather that it's hard understand how exceptional this event was. Scandinavian society is (or was until recently) very different from yours regarding violent crime. It was generally safe and open and proud of its openness. An attack of this magnitude might have appeared a remote theoretical possibility, but in reality it was unthinkable.

It would require a major cultural shift to develop a paranoid gun culture like in the US and that isn't going to happen. But Norway won't be the same either. Things will have to change in how people think about security. Society has changed and new compromises have to be made. It's inevitable.

Coincidentally, this closely parallels the conclusions ABB seems to have drawn about the modern multicultural/globalized society... He exploited exactly the same naivety which he claims Muslims are doing. What a conservative hero he is.

Something will also definitely have to change in police anti-terror routines and equipment. I saw that topic carefully broached on Norwegian TV yesterday, but they were holding off drawing "conclusions" about the police effort until all the "details" were known. There's been murmurs on Twitter about why it took so long too. I'm sure (I hope) there'll be lots more critical voices if the police can't explain themselves very well.

Edit: I just saw the police have gone on a little PR offensive. Now they're saying ABB had "considerable amounts" of ammo left, meaning the police response saved lives. We'll see where it goes.

[Docfeelgood]

No ****. But they would have stood a better chance than unarmed teenagers. And would have at least slowed him down substantially.

I personally don't think it would have made a difference. The count may be lower but there would have still been a big body count.
This was a unforeseen massacre that could have not been anticipated. Placing blame will not bring the dead back to life.We must learn from this and not let it happen again.

[Cort Haus]

Kitchum, without wishing us to get too distracted into NATO's 1999 war, ABB's analysis of it as described in that quote is not a very accurate one. Serbia's objective was not to drive out Albanians as he suggests (that was a NATO claim to justify its bombing) but to defend its territory against Albanian secessionists whose aim was to drive the non-Albanians out, and establish an ethnically-pure statelet which would eventually merge with a Greater Albania. NATO's actions have made the first two secessionist objectives a reality, and we shall see about the third.

In fact, were they not Muslims, ABB could easily, from his viewpoint, supported the Albanian secession as they were out-and-out Nationalists, while Milosevic, despite all the stuff thrown at him, was actually a multi-culturalist (not many people realise this, but his speeches back this up).

[giblets]

I personally don't think it would have made a difference. The count may be lower but there would have still been a big body count.
This was a unforeseen massacre that could have not been anticipated. Placing blame will not bring the dead back to life.We must learn from this and not let it happen again.

Uhh how are we supposed to learn from this if we don't criticize anyone?

[KrazyHorse]

Wait, so two guys in a helicopter land, get out and try to confront him just to "slow him down", the mass murderer wins, and flies away in the helicopter?

He can fly a helicopter? You've been watching too much die hard.

[Al B. Sure!]

Wait, so two guys in a helicopter land, get out and try to confront him just to "slow him down", the mass murderer wins, and flies away in the helicopter?

And promptly crashes because he doesn't know how to fly it? Or did I miss something and this guy is a pilot, as well?

[Kitschum]

In fact, were they not Muslims, ABB could easily, from his viewpoint, supported the Albanian secession as they were out-and-out Nationalists, while Milosevic, despite all the stuff thrown at him, was actually a multi-culturalist (not many people realise this, but his speeches back this up).

Well, that's an interesting viewpoint in itself. That Milosevic was a multiculturalist, I mean. But I agree not to get distracted, in this thread at least. I just thought it was strange how the two worst attacks on politicians in Scandinavia after the end of the cold war appear to have had a rather strong Kosovo connection.