True Love Waits (Until Someone with a Clue Teaches Sex Ed)

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by MrFun
Explain it to them of course, beforehand.

I agree, but just a little question - who shall explalin this ?

[Ben Kenobi]

What that picture lacks is a scale. That fetus is about 1/10 inch tall (assuming the age is 6 weeks): the size of a grain of rice. What you're seeing aren't brains, eyes and liver, but things that will eventually grow to become those organs.

So?

My liver is larger now than when I was an infant. So is my brain. Does that mean that as an infant, I didn't have a brain.

[chequita guevara]

The different between a bundle of nerves and a brain capable of thought is qualitative, not quantitative.

[Ben Kenobi]

So where do you draw the line?

When does that developing organ become a brain?

Try reading the article in the OP, where they give a 97% success rate. The 31% failure rate is when condoms are used improperly, which is a lot better than the 85% failure rate abstinence has (i.e., 85% of those taking abstinence pledges go on to have sex).

Not really.

Ideally, condoms have a 97% success rate. Ideally, pledges have a 100% success rate.

Why not compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

Also consider this. If a person with a condom, has intercourse much more frequently than the pledger, you have to adjust for this in the probability. Having a 31% success rate if risked twice, is not better than a 15% success rate if risked only once.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


So?

My liver is larger now than when I was an infant. So is my brain. Does that mean that as an infant, I didn't have a brain.

I don't see any question about the size of your brain as an infant.. As a matter of fact noone has questioned anything regarding born childs.

[Ben Kenobi]

I don't see any question about the size of your brain as an infant.. As a matter of fact noone has questioned anything regarding born childs.

They have made the point, that what counts is the size of the organ.

If so, then why should an infant with a smaller brain than an adult be considered just as much of a person?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
So where do you draw the line?

When does that developing organ become a brain?

I don't care, really.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


They have made the point, that what counts is the size of the organ.

If so, then why should an infant with a smaller brain than an adult be considered just as much of a person?

No, there has never been any claim about size except the point that a body at the size of a ricegrain do not have the capability of a human being. This is what has been claimed, nothing else.


It is you that takes the step from this ricegrain sized beeing to a full grown child, witch isn't a part of this thread.

If you want to discuss abortion i suggest that you start a thread about this (I will take it as a honour to fight against you in such a thread (consider this as a smack in the face by my glove)) - well, are you a gentleman or not ?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by BlackCat

I agree, but just a little question - who shall explalin this ?

the sex education fairies

[Agathon]

Ideally, condoms have a 97% success rate. Ideally, pledges have a 100% success rate.

But in fact, condoms have a near perfect success rate, and in fact the success rate for pledges is much lower and the use of contraceptives among pledge breakers is much lower.

[Dis]

Originally posted by Agathon

Ideally, condoms have a 97% success rate. Ideally, pledges have a 100% success rate.

But in fact, condoms have a near perfect success rate, and in fact the success rate for pledges is much lower and the use of contraceptives among pledge breakers is much lower.

yep

again, I will note (in case anyone missed my post earlier) there has never been a case of hiv transmission in the brothel industry in my state. And there's a lot of ****in' going on.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Ideally, condoms have a 97% success rate. Ideally, pledges have a 100% success rate.

Why not compare apples to apples, and oranges to oranges.

No. Ideally both have a 100% success rate. How do you like them apples?

I've used condoms for nearly 20 years, with not one mishap.

[DRoseDARs]

Originally posted by Dissident


yep

again, I will note (in case anyone missed my post earlier) there has never been a case of hiv transmission in the brothel industry in my state. And there's a lot of ****in' going on.

That never fails to amaze me. While I strongly disapprove of prostitution, I support the existance of legal brothels in this state because they do an incredible job of keeping their girls safe.

[Wycoff]

Originally posted by MrFun
Yeah -- they should put a condom in with every teenager's sack lunch before sending them off to school.

... I don't know what kind of high school that you attended

My parents told me to use protection. They're typical social conservatives, but they also have common sense. I think people underestimate parental advice when looking at these kinds of things. I had sex-ed in 7th grade and 9th grade, and I thought it was very informative. Its funny, because in 7th grade you had to get a permission slip signed by your parents before taking the class. In 9th grade, while everyone was taking the required health class, they lumped in the same sex ed info as they had in 7th grade, but this time w/o forcing you to get a permisison slip signed first. All the fundy kids had to learn it, and their parents were none the wiser.

Sex ed is useful. It informs you about the diseases, tells you about contraception and the fact that its not always perfect, tells you that abstinence is the only way to 100% safe way to avoid STDs and pregnancy and, if you are going to be sexually active, that its much safer to be in a loving, monogamous relationship than to go out, get drunk at parties and hook up with strangers. Good, sound advice w/o being too preachy or advocating pre-marital sex.


I consider myself socially conservative, but I fully support sex ed in public schools, no earlier than 7th grade and no later than 10th grade.

fundies

[MosesPresley]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
they have to suppress it (sex) to give themselves the thrill of the forbidden fruit

You hit the nail on the head. Can't grin without the sin.