True Love Waits (Until Someone with a Clue Teaches Sex Ed)

[Dinner]

Originally posted by MRT144
i think that a lot of problems with condoms is user error.

And do you think the error rate will go up or down if fundies get their way and children are not taught how to properly use condoms?

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp

It's also enough to say that pregnancy can cause sterility, whether it goes to term or not. Ben- how can you bring yourself to be so wilfully stupid when you aren't?

I tell ya, it's the gift of faith, it just keeps on giving.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by Dr Strangelove


The condom manufacturers came by one night and they used you as the model while you were asleep. Now the rest of us are stuck with french letters that fit us about as well as the underwear we wore when we were 8 would if we tried to wear them today. This explains the lousy track record of condoms in general.

Maybe if you folks would bother getting your woman "in the mood" there wouldn't be so much friction...

Anyhow, I've had a couple break on me, but it was in the middle so replacing it was no trouble. It's sort of noticeable when it happens.

[KrazyHorse]

Plus it's not like I've been sleeping with a large number of random women, so I wasn't worried about STDs the two times it's happened.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by The diplomat
Why is abstinence silly? You have 100% chance of avoiding pregnancy. You 100% chance of avoiding STD's resulting from sexual intercourse. You also avoid any negative emotional effects from having sex with someone you shouldn't have.

These results happen only when someone remains abstinent. Since 85-88% of the abstinence pledgers didn't uphold their pledge, it does mean that abstinence, as a principle, has 85-88% chance of not being followed by those who agree with it.
I agree with you that sex-ed shouldn't actively encourage the spirit "if it feels good, just do it". But sex-ed should be realistic, and treat the youngsters as people who'll have sex with several partners before marriage. And sex-ed should give the knowledge necessary to avoid the potential problems that arise when one has sex.

Abstinence can help teach young people to respect their bodies and respect the opposite sex more. It can also help teach young people that there is more to life than sex. And it can help teach young people to make better priorities in life and to value more meaningful relationships. Those are noble goals that you don't get from the "if it feels good, just do it but wear a condom" school of thought. It is that school of thought that has caused the huge social decay that we are suffering from in this country.

I don't know how sex-ed looks like in the US, but I don't think the sex-educators are actively encouraging the young to have sex. I think sex-ed should be value-neutral. It shouldn't preach in any way: for abstinence, for long relationships, for short relationships, for purely random sex... Sex-ed should talk about how sex works; while the values about it should be conveyed by society as a whole (parents, TV, etc.)

[Gibsie]

Even if we accept that the "ideal" for teaching abstinence is 100% compared to the ideal for condoms as 97%, the sensible conclusion would be to teach both until the ACTUAL value of teaching abstinence is 100%. Up until then, as long as you suspect that even one student in a class of 30 is going to break any such pledge, a teacher has a duty to teach them how to protect themselves.

[Agathon]

What abstinence folks really want is for people to abstain from fun.

I'd bet a sizeable sum of cash that, should a contraceptive appear that is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and stopping STDs, they'll find some other ridiculous reason to prevent people from having sex.

That's what it's about. You can only have sex with people they approve, in places and positions they approve of, and with the light off.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Agathon
What abstinence folks really want is for people to abstain from fun.

I'd bet a sizeable sum of cash that, should a contraceptive appear that is 100% effective at preventing pregnancy and stopping STDs, they'll find some other ridiculous reason to prevent people from having sex.

That's what it's about. You can only have sex with people they approve, in places and positions they approve of, and with the light off.

I have to make a opposal to you : Sex i better with the light ON !!! Ok, you may be so desperate that you prefare lights off, but that is not a general problem

[Agathon]

Are you sure you read my post?

Besides, it's better on the university quad in broad daylight.

[Guynemer]

Sex with lights on

Abstinence-only education



I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that I'm one of only very, very few Polytubbies whose job it is to work with children. In my experience, abstinence-only does not work.

[Guynemer]

Originally posted by Agathon
Besides, it's better on the university quad in broad daylight.

Now THAT, my friend, is ballsy. Kudos to you, good sir.

I knew a guy in college who had sex at Comisky Park during a White Sox game. Naturally, that man is my personal hero.

[Drake Tungsten]

In my experience, abstinence-only does not work.

In my experience, nothing works, so why waste time and money teaching sex ed in schools when parents can do the futile preaching at home?

[Guynemer]

Just make it part of friggen biology, for heaven's sake. That's where it belongs anyway. This is what sex is, these are the risks, this is how risks can be minimized. Christ, this **** isn't rocket science.

[BlackCat]

Originally posted by Agathon
Are you sure you read my post?

Sure, and i even think we agree, but if you read what you wrote, then youl'l agreee with me.

Otherwise, please explain what confuses you.

[Drake Tungsten]

Just make it part of friggen biology, for heaven's sake. That's where it belongs anyway. This is what sex is, these are the risks, this is how risks can be minimized. Christ, this **** isn't rocket science.

I wouldn't be opposed to this. Will never happen though, since it doesn't push the agenda of either the left or the right...