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"Some Iraqis are part of the Coalition. They fight for the Coalition, with the Coalition. They are trained by the Coalition to help achieve the Coalition's ends."
They are not part of the official coalition. Now try to understand this. It is not seen as part of the original coalition, and they are fighting in the coalition organisation, true, but they are not coalition . They can't be part of coalition. This is how it is calculated and has always been, this conflict and others as well. You are being inconsistent.
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Cheney said "when you count Iraqi security forces, the US has sustained only 50% of the casualties." You can't decide not to include Iraqi forces just to disprove Cheney's math.
Cheney originally criticized Edwards' math WRT diplomatic support. You can't decide to include indigenous forces just to disprove Edwards' math.
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They are breaking all sorts of rules. Asked a question on Halibourton, and Cheney says he'll first criticize Edwards on his voting record. And the moderator just happily allows him to use half of his time on that.
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Originally posted by Ramo
Taking stuff out of context.
Only talking part of the truth.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
What "truth" am I leaving out? The forces of the Allawi gov't are irrelevent in a discussion of diplomatic support for the war.
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Cheney said "when you count Iraqi security forces, the US has sustained only 50% of the casualties." You can't decide not to include Iraqi forces just to disprove Cheney's math.
Cheney originally criticized Edwards' math WRT diplomatic support. You can't decide to include indigenous forces just to disprove Edwards' math.
His aim wasn't to disprove the math, but to show another, more illuminating statistic. If you look at posts like DRose's, you guys are attacking the math itself.
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Eh? Cheney said that Edwards was basically lying. And he wasn't.
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Originally posted by Ramo
What "truth" am I leaving out? The forces of the Allawi gov't are irrelevent in a discussion of diplomatic support for the war.
This is the half truth that is true. The rest of the truth is that you must look at the "Iraqification" of the conflict in the overall picture. To simply analyze part of the equation is a half truth.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
Originally posted by Ramo
Eh? Cheney said that Edwards was basically lying. And he wasn't.
half truth is a lie.
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003
No, it's a criticism of the Bush admin's attempt at acquiring allies. Allawi's forces are irrelevent to the discussion. It's not a half-truth, it is the truth.
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Edwards is really mumbling his answer about gay marriage.
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Let me say it again: Iraqis are not counted as coalition effort. They are Iraqi effort. Not coalition effort. The only effort that goes from coalition to that is the training effort, and supplying effort. Other than that, they are not in coalition.
OTHERWISE you have all nationalities in coalition. There are people from most countries, even from Finland in IRaq right now. But their countries are not counted as part of coalition because they are not. The status in Iraq is not clear right now, and there is no state effort to be part of coaltiion, because the state is jsu being formed. They are on the side of coalition, but NOT part of the coalition.
NO ONE has used this kind of calculating method before. And there is a reason for it.
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If the Iraqi soldiers are not part of the coalition, then you can only count the deaths prior to the liberation of Iraq.
Can someone remind me how many Americans died during that period of time?
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