The Battle of the VPs

[Pekka]

Jaguar, this is the last answer from me and then I'm pass this subject.

"Allied. Would you suggest that the French resistance wasn't allied with us?"

They were helping Allied. They were their own entity. They were part of the effort but they weren't part of the actual allied entity.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Jaguar

Ted Striker

Ted Striker

[Jaguar]

w00t! Let's move on.

Edwards on education: "Half of Black High School students drop out under this administration. Half of Hispanic High School students drop out."

Why does this have anything to do with Bush? We've had this problem for decades.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Oh who ****ing cares?!

Even if we go with Cheney's definition, which is totally valid, that just means that a whole ****load of Iraqis are dying. This is supposed to be a good thing?

With total casualties then shooting up to 1800 from around 1100. A smaller percentage of US casualties ("only" 55%), but not a smaller number.

Seems pretty even so far. Both have landed some pretty good zingers and some solid arguments, and both have stumbled on occasion. Slight edge to Cheney at the moment, simply for stumbling slightly less than Edwards.

What is abundantly clear is that Bush is obviously the worst debater of the four, and that the debate is much more interesting when the candidates actually, you know, debate.

I'd actually rather Cheney be President over Bush, for the simple reason that it makes me uncomfortable that the President of the United States of America is a complete ****wit.

I think Cheney comes off on top here. He just seemed stronger, Edwards seemed unorganised, falling back almost verbatim on what Kerry said in the last debate, not to mention that Cheney was *much* more aggressive Not major pwnage, but I think Cheney won this debate.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Guynemer
Oh who ****ing cares?!

Even if we go with Cheney's definition, which is totally valid, that just means that a whole ****load of Iraqis are dying. This is supposed to be a good thing?


Seems pretty even so far. Both have landed some pretty good zingers and some solid arguments, and both have stumbled on occasion. Slight edge to Cheney at the moment, simply for stumbling slightly less than Edwards.

What is abundantly clear is that Bush is obviously the worst debater of the four, and that the debate is much more interesting when the candidates actually, you know, debate.

I'd actually rather Cheney be President over Bush, for the simple reason that it makes me uncomfortable that the President of the United States of America is a complete ****wit.

/me didn't start it.

[Pekka]

oh and Jaguar, it is 5.30AM in here. I'm sorry if I don't feel like debating this issue. More so because I think I might be better at english at this point than you. You do not even counter my claim of French Resistance being their own entity, and furthermore you spin it saying 'well weren't they part of allied?'. You just don't grasp my point at all, which leads me to believe that you don't grasp the whole way of thinking I'm trying to explain. You can say that's a **** way of thinking, but so far it has been universally agreed on, Wikipedia agrees on it, so you and Mr. Cheney can agree on that together and make it a fact of your own.

I'm OUT.

[Jaguar]

Originally posted by Pekka
Jaguar, this is the last answer from me and then I'm pass this subject.

[Guynemer]

I would agree.

I give Cheney the edge on this one, but nowhere near to the extent that Kerry beat Bush in the first debate.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Jaguar
w00t! Let's move on.

Edwards on education: "Half of Black High School students drop out under this administration. Half of Hispanic High School students drop out."

Why does this have anything to do with Bush? We've had this problem for decades.

IIRC, the figures are actually less than they were under Clinton. (Which to be fair were less than Bush I and Reagan). This trending in the correct direction and has nothing to do with the current administration. This is an attempt by Edwards to play a race card...pathetic.

[Pekka]

Jaguar, well .. you fired back on me

Ok, let's break this crap.

in the big picture I say Cheney might have won this one. Happy?

[Jaguar]

w00t!

Pekka
Angry Pekka
Ted Striker

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Guynemer
I would agree.

I give Cheney the edge on this one, but nowhere near to the extent that Kerry beat Bush in the first debate.

Clearly Cheney is more comfortable with this level of debate. Edwards is a newbie afterall. It helps that Cheney has "right" on his side.

[Pekka]

Jaguar, yeah sorry I got little upset. Not because of you but because of the debate and I felt like debating it and I was missing the actual debate on TV plus I'm tired and I have a long day to go plus my car is stuck on the parking long because the alarm system decided to screw me up and I have to take a long walk tomorrow morning to the car repair shop.. and blaablaablaa.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


With total casualties then shooting up to 1800 from around 1100. A smaller percentage of US casualties ("only" 55%), but not a smaller number.

A very valid point. Not the point under discussion, but a very valid one, nonetheless.

[Jaguar]