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  • Cleric supports targeting children
    By Rajeev Syal
    (Filed: 05/09/2004)


    An extremist Islamic cleric based in Britain said yesterday that he would support hostage-taking at British schools if carried out by terrorists with a just cause.

    Omar Bakri Mohammed, the spiritual leader of the extremist sect al-Muhajiroun, said that holding women and children hostage would be a reasonable course of action for a Muslim who has suffered under British rule.

    In an interview with The Sunday Telegraph, Mr Mohammed said: "If an Iraqi Muslim carried out an attack like that in Britain, it would be justified because Britain has carried out acts of terrorism in Iraq.

    "As long as the Iraqi did not deliberately kill women and children, and they were killed in the crossfire, that would be okay."

    Mr Mohammed, 44, who lives in Edmonton, north London, but is originally from Syria, also claimed that the Chechen rebels were not responsible for the deaths of more than 350 people - at least half of them children - who are so far known to have died in Beslan.

    "The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.

    The father of seven came to Britain in 1985 after being deported from Saudi Arabia because of his membership of a banned group. He has since been given leave by the Home Office to remain in Britain for five years but the Government is reviewing his status.

    He gave an interview yesterday to promote a "celebratory" conference in London next Saturday to commemorate the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

    Andrew Dismore, the Labour MP for Hendon, was infuriated by Mr Mohammed's comments. "That sounds to me like incitement and I will report him to Scotland Yard," he said. "It is an insult to most moderate Muslims, who are sick of people like this claiming to represent them."


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    • Have a nice trip back to Syria--probably on the end of some local Skinhead's boot.
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      • I guess immigrants should be asked about their attitude towards some aspects of modern politics before let in
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        • Originally posted by Sprayber




          Then perhaps maybe it's time to rid yourselves of the garbage that chechnya is. It's a drain and will always be a source of pain. If they use their independence as a way to shelter terrorism you can always use that as an excuse to destroy them every time they step out of line but with the added benifit of not having to be responsible for their control. Let them go their own way to their ruin if that is what is meant to be. But don't be prideful and invite your own ruin and pain. It really is that simple.
          To be fair, they tried giving them independence once. Bascially what they did with their independence was the equivalent of setting up a Taliban run Afghanistan in Montana. A nice base for them to rain terror down on the Russians. The government in Chechnya could not control all of these terrorist elements so the Russians had to protect themselves. Remember, this is AFTER they gave them independence to do whatever they wanted to.
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          • Blah
            Montana was never independant. Comparing USA to any state with long history is silly. Russia didn't gave Chechenia independance. And even if it practically was free to do whatever it wished in the time You are talking about, remember that there was one more war earlier. Before it, Chechenia had a strong leadership of Dudajew. Russians shouldn't have murdered him.
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            • "The Mujahideen [Chechen rebels] would not have wanted to kill those people, because it is strictly forbidden as a Muslim to deliberately kill women and children. It is the fault of the Russians," he said.
              Ugh.
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              • Originally posted by Heresson
                Blah
                Montana was never independant. Comparing USA to any state with long history is silly. Russia didn't gave Chechenia independance. And even if it practically was free to do whatever it wished in the time You are talking about, remember that there was one more war earlier. Before it, Chechenia had a strong leadership of Dudajew. Russians shouldn't have murdered him.
                You're missing the entire point completley.


                Chechyna is the equivalent of putting a large group of people that want to kill you right in your own borders.

                It's like putting a child molester right next to a school.
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                • Strangely, it's not the only example of such arguementation I've heard. Christians often say: if he's done that, he's not a Christian. Here, it is "they couldn't have don that, because the rules forbid that". Like if the moral rules of Christians allowed such stuff. What can be said is that that they did that doesn;'t mean the rules allow that. But such arguementation is dumb and arogant

                  On the other hand, these are not Chechenians that profit from this situation, and a scenario in which some of actions alleged to Chechenians would be provocation, doesn't have to be COMPLETELY unreal. I strongly doubt that though, especially in this particular case, because the risk is too big and the gain doubtful.
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                  • Originally posted by Ted Striker
                    You're missing the entire point completley.
                    Chechyna is the equivalent of putting a large group of people that want to kill you right in your own borders.
                    It's like putting a child molester right next to a school.
                    You are wrong. If Chechenians as a nation have interest in terrorism, it will disappear with granting them independance. If some part will want to still fight, it will not have support of the rest. Every state to defend or to gain independance uses brutal methods. The reality of war and reality of peace is something different. That doesn't mean that what they did was right of course. But Russia is not an innocent child either.
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                    • Strangely, it's not the only example of such arguementation I've heard. Christians often say: if he's done that, he's not a Christian. Here, it is "they couldn't have don that, because the rules forbid that". Like if the moral rules of Christians allowed such stuff. What can be said is that that they did that doesn;'t mean the rules allow that. But such arguementation is dumb and arogant
                      Why is it arrogant on the part of the Christians? Unlike the Muslims here, they do not try to blame the victims, rather they insist that the person who committed the crimes, stand up to his punishments.

                      And oftentimes, we hear atrocities, where people try to make the connection to Christianity, where that is just not the case.

                      Yes, Christians can commit these crimes, but more often then not, when Christians are implicated, that connection is shown to be false.

                      Finally, in saying the man is not a Christian, it is a way to shun him. The Muslim community ought to shun their terrorists, but rather than doing that the Muslims prefer to blame the victim.

                      That's why I'm disgusted by their equivocation, and I think the Christians have it right to expel the immoral brothers from their midst.
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                      • No.

                        They ALREADY gave them independence but that did absolutley nothing and made things worse. There were incursions into neighboring countries. There were terrorist attacks that occured inside Russia.

                        They made absolutley no efforts to clean up their act.

                        The Taliban were independent yet Afghanistan became a terrorist haven. So much so that Bin Laden was the equivalent of the Secretary of Defense for Afghanistan at the time.

                        Did the Taliban really want to get rid of terrorism?

                        Being Polish I can understand your feelings toward Russia, but they did not deserve what happened.
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                        • Good news. One of the attackers may have been caught alive. Perhaps we'll soon know more about the people who did this.
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                          • Get a rope!!!!
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                            • That cleric is a stupid bastard. How can it be the fault of someone else if you go and do things like this? It's no fault of the Russians.

                              Furthermore, even if it was, according to him, it's ok to take it on kids and spesifically target little kids, who sure as hell have nothing to do with things. It's as if he wants to be hated by his comments. What good does he do representing his ways..

                              Thinking like that.. he's up for a beating he is. This holy warrior BS is going too far already as it is. We don't need any stupid ass clerics being haters of themselves, he only hurts himself saying these things, and that makes him ultimately stupid.
                              In da butt.
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                              • I will buy you a ticket to the UK SuperCitizen.

                                Go do your thing.
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