Attackers seize Russian school II(continued)

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Can't help it. Here's the link I promissed: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fms...ir/fuelair.htm

What I found disgusting was che's (the real person I was trying to bait that thread. I like Serb and wasn't trying to goad him that time.) and others hypocritical reactions to the incident.

Alright then.

Trolling of chegitz is generally welcomed.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia
as usual, very few here can understand complex issues and parallels as demonstrated with what the fabulous emperor is saying.

I'm glad with your elevated intelligence and critical thinking skills that we can finally find enlightenment.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

It certainly could help the discussion

[Gatekeeper]

The "ivory tower" types haven't got a clue, and neither do the "shoot first and ask questions later" types. There, how's that for clearing things up?

Gatekeeper

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
The "ivory tower" types haven't got a clue, and neither do the "shoot first and ask questions later" types. There, how's that for clearing things up?

Gatekeeper

Not much actually.

Anyway, I was gonna post some pictures of Grozny for Ted but it doesn't really matter because it still doesn't justify what the terrorist did at the school. I don't really think anyone here is even saying that. The Russian goverment isn't innocent by any means but the kids in the school were.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Cut the smartass attitude d1ckhead

Your trolling of Serb has been disgusting enough.

I'm really tired of you selectively attacking trolls when the majority of the posters have strayed at some time. I have apologized for my part, now lets see if you'll go after everyone else. A blanket statement admonishing everyone (or a pm to a moderater) would be adequete.

[muxec]

"Rebel" = wrong word. Let's say terrorists or bandits.

I agree with you, bandits are victims. But they do not fight for their nation, they fight for their muslim leaders, leaders of international terrorists who fight for rule of the whole world and will kill everybody on their way. And indeed they do not care about their own people. And their propoganda kills souls of their nation, disables human ability to understand real world, damages the welfare of their nations. When Stalin said about good of soviet people he meant only HIS OWN GOOD. When terrorist leaders say that they fight for muslim nation it means that they fight for personal benefit and do not care about nation.

And indeed Russian leaders do not worry about Russian nation, they worry about theirselves

[Vince278]

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Solidarity with our Russian friends. Has President Putin declared a period of mourning?

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Chechen seperatists do not, in theory, equal muslim fanatics. I believe that their supposed battle for a seperate Chechen nation is a good thing. What you, muxec, imply is that the Chechen fighters fight only for an Islamist nation, which you as a member of the nation of Israel oppose. However, I think that if the Chechens are fighting for their own people and nation, I support them, even if they want to create a theocracy...it should be up to them to govern themselves, if that is their choice. They are not Russian.

Like I said, though...storming a school and taking children hostage is by no means in my eye justified.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Not much actually.

**clap, clap, clap** And that, my good Sprayber, was the point I was striving to drive home. If people want answers, then it's probably best to *combine* some of what the "ivory tower" types want with what the "shoot first ask questions later" types want. Neither can stand on their own two feet alone, IMO.

Complex? Definitely. But whoever said life was supposed to be easy?

Gatekeeper

[muxec]

Chechen separatists= Muslim fanatics

Same sources of funding
Same ideology
Same men (10 arabs among terrorists who captured the school)
Same goals
Same means
.

If we give them independency we'll have one more state of terror.

[:) Smiley]

However, I think that if the Chechens are fighting for their own people and nation, I support them, even if they want to create a theocracy...it should be up to them to govern themselves, if that is their choice.

Theocracy is not about governing themselves, it is about a small group of people imposing their ideology on the rest.

[Pekka]

Muxec, what is their common goal? To spread Islam? They don't have to do it that way. All they have to do is call everyone racist and hurt their feelings. A huge high class hotel in here just took the bibles out of their rooms, because, well, they got feedback and muslims didn't like it.



What a bunch of PC pussies. And what a bunch of weak hearted people, when this hurts their feelings. I'd put it in the words of Eddie Murphy 'and if you don't like it, get the **** out!'

[muxec]

OK, I'll tell you a story about religious fanatics.

My best friend when he was 15 years old met a 14-years-old girl from family of Jwish religious fanatics. She accidentially took a breath of freedom.
She loved music but her parents said that it's evil so she listened secretly. SHe desired to study sciences but her parents said it's evil. She desired to become an atheist but she feared that her parents will physically kill her for that. My friend met her several times and they also SMSed as well. My friend was shocked.

One day she stoped replying on SMSes of my friend... He never saw her again...

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous
Well, they haven't changed much in the past 15 years...why should I trust them to do "the right thing" now?

Let´see... 15 years ago it was 1989. They even weren´t Russians at that time. They were still soviets. They DO HAVE CHANGED a lot since then. And for the better.

Of course, there is still a lot to do. But due to the terrible situation that the country was when the USSR dissapeared, the fact that the current situation is much better can be considered a little miracle.