Attackers seize Russian school II(continued)

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Because Ossetia it's Caucasus and every person over 21 there have a gun, becuase of nearby Chechnya and South Ossetia. Some of their arms are legal, some I believe not, but it could be pretty legal to own hunting rifles. Some of those rifles are no less lethal than army rifles. For example, Saiga carabin is based on Kalashnikov assualt rifle, lesser magazine, no burst mode and other differences, but it's still just a modified AK, and it's still damn lethal. So people in Ossetia are pretty well armed.

Good policy. Next, they ought to start issuing nonlethal weapons such as mace, tasers, etc. to those without guns.

[Vince278]

Sounds like the FSB was on top of the situation from the start. Shutting down the cell connections was a good move.
I salute the bravery of the police and spetsnaz.
Keep us posted Serb.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Spetsnaz

Serb, has there been any response or reprisal actions announced yet?

Putin was in Beslan yestarday and ordered to close all borders of North Ossetia and to start search of d!cks who helped terrorists in preparation of this act. Also he said that main goal of this act was "to explode the Caucasus" and everyone who will fall into this provocation will be considered as terrorist's sympotyzer.
I've to explain what he meant. The peoples of Cucasus maintain a very long traditions of blood revenge or vindetta. In such cases they act in accordance with "an eye for an eye" principle. In accordance with thier traditions, relatives of the dead children should take arms and did with murders or their families the same thing what they did with thier families- kill.
As for me, it's absolutely clear that terrorists didn't plan to achieve any political goal by act. They've planned to kill their victims from the beggining. In 2002, in Moscow's theater the situation was absolutely different. First of all they demanded access to TV air, and made a clear (but still impossible) demands. They've forced relatives of the hostages to make an anti-war demostration. They were negotiating, I don't remeber exact number, but I believe about 100 hostages were released after negotiations. They allowed food, water and medicine, which means they planned to stay with the hostages for a long time. And more probably they planned to escape the theather and Moscow via buses using hostages as alive shields (like it happened before), since all of them, except their leader were in masks to hide their faces, which means that they really did not want to die there.
Non of that happened this time. This time they didn't make clear demands, no TV, no serious attempts of negotiations, only one person they demanded for talks, had entered the building. Former hostages said that they didn't hide their faces and told them that everyone including themselves will die there.
As for me, they planned to kill the children, becuase relatives of the children will came to Chechnya to kill Chechens, Chechens in their turn will came to Ossetia to kill Ossetins and so on. Their plan was to start the circle of violence.


Yestarday Putin adressed to the nation. Sept 6 and 7 declared as days of mourning.
In brief he said- we admit we sucked. Were were unable to protect our children. Were were unready for new chaleges we've faced. Corruption spreaded among our law-enforcement institutions.
It's not an attack against president or government, it's attack against our country. We have a direct intervention of international terrorism agaist Russia.
It's a limit brake and something needs to be done.
1) As soon as possible we'll prepare new complex of measures to unify the country.
2) New system of coordination of forces and institutions which supervise situation in the Caucasus should be created.
3) New efficient anti-crisis system of control, including absolutely new aproaches to activity of law-enforcement institutions should be created.
All measures should be done in accordance with consitution of Russian Federation.

Also parliament representatives from Cucasus republics had been called to Moscow. I guess will see some legislation changes soon.
As for me, among other measures I would restore death penalty in Russia for any form of terrorism. A f*cker who shot at back of running mother who is carrying her child in hands, deserves the most painfull death.

[Geronimo]

[SIZE=1] Originally posted by Serb


Black days for Russia.

We seek revenge.

This atrocity demands it in fact.



Thanks for keeping us informed Serb. It's been difficult for me to contemplate what has occured but I think it's absolutely essential that we understand as much as we can.

[Gatekeeper]

How hard will it be for Putin, et al., to prevent the loved ones of the fallen from exacting the traditional "eye for an eye" justice? If it's one thing that's hard to break, it's traditions.

Gatekeeper

P.S. Kidicious — How's "son" sound? Or "whipper-snapper"? Or "junior"? OK, I'll quit now.

[Sprayber]

Just a questoin and I may be called a terrorist sympathizer but oh well. How much of a response would be too much for some of you all. I mean when the US invaded Afghanistan there was a goverment there to direct our attacks against, but in Chechnya the goverment is supported by Moscow, so the question becomes where does the revenge go? Is this a case where any chechen will do or are there actual targets in mind here. And if there are targets in mind, why haven't they been hit before now?

[Serb]

I bet killed terrorists had no relatives or their relatives live in foreign countries, somewhere in hidden terrorists camps under protection of brothers in arms of their falled comrades. I doubt any Chechen terrorist of this gang could left his relatives in Chechnya, since he perfectly knew traditions of this region. I'm pretty sure relatives of terrorists recieved $$$ and protection.
Also, knowledge about vindetta traditions also, to some degree explains why there were so many foreigners in this band. ****s who planned this act, probably had problems recruiting volunteeres from Caucasus for such crime.

So it would be pretty hard to find families of those terrorists, I think and people of killed children could start to express their rage upon all Chechens. That's what Putin afraids and that's what terrorists wanted, I guess.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Sprayber
Just a questoin and I may be called a terrorist sympathizer but oh well. How much of a response would be too much for some of you all. I mean when the US invaded Afghanistan there was a goverment there to direct our attacks against, but in Chechnya the goverment is supported by Moscow, so the question becomes where does the revenge go? Is this a case where any chechen will do or are there actual targets in mind here. And if there are targets in mind, why haven't they been hit before now?

Revenge should go to terrorists, not to foreign country (unless we'll find out that this attack have been planned by government of foreign country, which is very unlikely) or part of Russia or any Russian citizens, except when it will be proven that this citizen is terrorist. We should find the f*ckers who planned this attack and eliminate them. We should find all such ****ers, all vahhabites and eliminate them. Terrorism should be stopped and invasion of foreign country, unless this country supports vahhabites and terrorism wouldn't help to stop terrorism. We should stop this Jihad worldwide either this Jihad would stop us.

[Serb]

And if there are targets in mind, why haven't they been hit before now?

Why you ask?
Because they have a very powerfull friends. And thier friends are you guys. By "you" I mean the West. You have double standards, everyone who threatens you - terrorists, everyone who threatens Russia - honorable, oppressed freedom fighters. When we ask you to extrodite some of those f*ckers back to Russia for the court, you say- they have a political assylium here. That's how it was in London just after 2002 Moscow theater takeover, with Chechen emissar- Zakaev. He was among the leaders of f*cks who invaded Dagestan in 1999. He personally cut throats (it's not methapor we have a video tape with him cutting throats of captured Dagestan policemen). It's not only a terrorism, it's a criminal offence- murder of policemen.
What did you guys done?
Brits gave him political assylium, becuse from their point of view he participated in civil war.
From British law point of view, any f*cker could invade Russian territory such as Dagestan, cut cop's throats there and still be innocent since such attack against Russia called a civil war in UK.

[Heresson]

Yes, Serb, Russia is a virgin knight on a white horse, Chechenians are the dragon and the West is an ugly witch that laughs maliciously all the time and summons demons

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Serb


Why you ask?
Because they have a friends. And thier friends are you guys. By "you" I mean the West. You have double standards, everyone who threatens you- terrorists, everyone who threatens Russia- honorable, oppressed freedom fighter. When we ask you extrodite some of those f*ckers back to Russia for the court, you say- they have a political assylium here. That's how it was in London just after 2002 Moscow theater take over, with Chechen emissar- Zakaev. He was among the leaders of f*cks who invaded Dagestan in 1999. He personally cut throats (it's not methapor we have a video tape with him cutting throats to captured Dagestan policemen). It's not only a terrorism, it's a criminal offence- murder of policemen.
What you guys did? Brits gave him political assylium, becuse from their point of view he participated in civil war.
From British point of view, iany f*cker could invade Russian territory such as Dagestan, cut cop's throats there and then be innocent since isuch attack against Russia called a civil war in UK.

I don't remember much more than lip service being said as Russia bombed Grozny. Made the evening news a few times. That was about it here in the US.

Do you see no reason for Chechens to hate Russia? I mean I can see why different groups of muslims would hate the US. Doesn't stop me from knowing that they need to be dealt with but I'm curious if you see if you see the source of their hatred. And I know this is a tramatic time and I'm not trying to get anyone upset. I'm just asking for a little calm before Russia goes off blowing the **** out of everyone. It's something that American leaders should have taken more time to do. Of course I'll just be called a terrorist supporter.

[Vince278]

Originally posted by Heresson
Yes, Serb, Russia is a virgin knight on a white horse, Chechenians are the dragon and the West is an ugly witch that laughs maliciously all the time and summons demons

Please, don't give him any ideas.

I know how it feels to be a parent. I have six kids. My youngest (21 months old) just broke his arm 6 hours ago. Yet, I feel lucky compared to what the parents over there are going through. My heart and prayers go out to them. I've put my nationalism aside because right now its more important to just be human.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Heresson
Yes, Serb, Russia is a virgin knight on a white horse, Chechenians are the dragon and the West is an ugly witch that laughs maliciously all the time and summons demons

Speaking in your terms,- NO. In no way Russia is virgin. And since Russia in Russian language assume she-type noun, I hardly see how she could be a knight.
Russia is amazon, old and wounded amazon who saw many battles. She lives in old but very big house and in one of the corners of this house settled snakes. Those snakes bite she, kill her children time after time and want this house for themselves, becuse snakes need this house too, for their own reasons, they want to turn this house into huge snake's nest, to invite other snakes from outside and live there how they want, to make it snake's paradise. The snakes from outside also crreping in that house to help snakes inside to defeat that old amazon. The snake are religious extremists and terrorists, some domestic, some foreign, but they are still snakes.
The West is indeed a bunch of witches with their own agendas, who indeed summon demons and even sometimes protect those snakes and feed them. They really do not need them both- the snakes and the amazon, they will be happy if they'll kill each other, but they do not understand that if snakes would kill amazon and start to reproduce in huge nest, then they will be next, and some snakes already attacked some of them.

[muxec]

Even if you want freedom for Chechens think about Chechen females now they are free citizen but under muslim dictature they will be slaves. Have pitty on them.

Many ethnic Turkmens in Turkmenistan and many of them females say that Russia would better not give independency to Turkmenistan.

[Myrddin]

When were you last in Ashgabat?