Attackers seize Russian school II(continued)

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Shi Huangdi

[muxec]

Yes i believe that some Russian and Israeli authorities are interested in this war. But you must admit that when captured Chechnya was a barbarian state, now it has clean water supplies and electricity. Israel offered education and healthcare to palestinians but they refused. Northern Ireland controled by GB is the wealthiest and the healthiest part of Ireland. All the world blamed USSR for bloody war in Afganistan but Afgani domestic gangs were much more brutal even towards their own civilians... Before USSR attacked Afganistan it was an anarchy state. Socialism is not good but it's certainly better than anarchy. And USA armed the gangs including so that they fought "The Red Plague" and later these gangs killed Afgani civilians with american weapons.

Irish terrorists are not muslim (hopefully) but the story is the same: gangs took over the control over the state.

You do not hear the voices of opressed civilians, civilians know that gangs will kill them if they say something "wrong" to media.

You know, Indians in India live in even worse conditions than Indian muslims but they do not terrorize the whole country and neighbor countries.

Now the mainstream of Islam is terroristic Islam and we must either annihilate it (not people who worship it, the ideology) or turn it into so called "liberal Islam". There are some other kinds of Islam but the number of people who worship it is almost neglectible.

Remember, the ideology of the Nazi Germany was NOT ENTIRELY wrong and evil but it was worth TOTAL ANNIHILATION. Not the men, ideology.

We must move mainstream muslim from their ideology. The ideology WORTH BEING BANNED and those man deserve moving to another religion that is curently peaceful or atheism.

And it's also about other religions and dangerous ideologies, but Islam is CURENTLY the must dangerous of them.

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10 of the terrorists were not Chechnian but muslims. Now in fact the whole muslim world is unofficially a single state. And in Chechnya they just try to aquire new land

[Heresson]

But you must admit that when captured Chechnya was a barbarian state, now it has clean water supplies and electricity.

I'm no specialist on the subject, but I'm not sure if they were a "barbarian" state before I chechenian war. Also, if they lacked electricity, perhaps Russia cut it off. Anyway, it was a state in statu nascendi, and after great distructions caused by war against Russians. No-one know how would it look without it, and several years later without it.
Also, it's not only Chechenia that has or had big problems in the 90s. Russia had. Armenia had. Georgia had. And what?

Israel offered education and healthcare to palestinians but they refused.

Would You accept it on their place?

Anyway, just because some state or region is not rich, doesn't mean it can not be independant.

Before USSR attacked Afganistan it was an anarchy state.

It still is

Socialism is not good but it's certainly better than anarchy.
And USA armed the gangs including so that they fought "The Red Plague" and later these gangs killed Afgani civilians with american weapons.

I'm not saying that USA did a good job in Afghanistan. The difference is that Soviets did not negate nominal Afghan independance

Irish terrorists are not muslim (hopefully) but the story is the same: gangs took over the control over the state.

And this will happen in Iraq, if the forces back off. There's nothing wrong in granting independance to Afghanistan, Chechenia, Palestine, Iraq, Ireland. But it should be done in another way than saying " have your independance "
and running away before the bomb explodes.

You know, Indians in India live in even worse conditions than Indian muslims but they do not terrorize the whole country and neighbor countries.

But they do. They opress Muslims and Christians, forbid
converting to Christianity, rename the cities to make them sound Indian even if they were not Indian at the start

Remember, the ideology of the Nazi Germany was NOT ENTIRELY wrong and evil but it was worth TOTAL ANNIHILATION. Not the men, ideology.

But, according to Kidicious' way of thinking, Germany shouldn't be independant.

And it's also about other religions and dangerous ideologies, but Islam is CURENTLY the must dangerous of them.

I have mixed feelings about Islam. Very mixed ones. I'm not going to discussed it right now.

[Kropotkin]

Northern Ireland controled by GB is the wealthiest and the healthiest part of Ireland.

Ehh, what? I don't have the figures but I'm pretty sure that the GDP per head nowadays is higher in Ireland than in the UK, and the NI part of the UK has even lower than the UK average. Do you actually have any knowledge of this or are just just make things up as you go along? If it's the first, please enlighten me.

[Chemical Ollie]

Too much reading to catch up after 3 days off-line. 800 posts on this topic already. All I have to say is:

Targeting children
Terrorists
Putin
Russia

While you can't really blame Russia and Putin for the bloody end of this siege, their politics in Chezniya (sp?) will provoke rather than prevent terrorism.

[Chemical Ollie]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
Civilans have been accidentally killed in Iraq in large numbers. No professional soldier in his right mind would do this.

Perhaps the wrong thread to discuss this, sorry about that.

But they would never officially admit it. According to every official news, 100% of the dead are insurgents, like the 700 in Falluja in April.

So anyone who is criticising Putin and Russia needs to criticize Bush and the USA.

A 500 pound "precision" bomb is still a 500 pound bomb.

Still the wrong thread to discuss this, but these statements, as well as the first one, are really signature material!

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Heresson
But, according to Kidicious' way of thinking, Germany shouldn't be independant.

Eh. They pretty much lost their independence, at least for a while, when we invaded them.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Heresson
Read my post. It's not Jihadists the demand independance, but Chechens. Part of them is jihadists, just like part of Saudis or part of citizens of Iraq and part of any state with Muslim population. Do You wish to take independance from all of them?

If the result of their independence is a muslim state, then yes. I don't care if the majority wants it or not.

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
By the way, for those of you talking about Grozny, maybe I should come back with pictures of Najaf, Baghdad, or Falujah. We dropped cruise missles down on a restuarant because we though Saddam was there.

Precisely why we will be hated there my a large number of Iraqis no matter what we do just like Russia will be hated by many chechens. No one is saying that the children deserved to be killed because of what happened to Grozny, just that no one can really be surprised that they have done this. Only a short progression from what they have done in the past really. The US should expect some degree of pain as well for what we have done. The question becomes what do the Russians do. Do they do like some here want and hunt down family members and such or wipe whats left of Grozny away or do they find some other way. Honestly I don't know what they can do short of doing a lot of damage to the Chechens. Either guility or innocent, many will die before it's all over with. Just like in Iraq...

[Heresson]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If the result of their independence is a muslim state, then yes. I don't care if the majority wants it or not.

How do You know that the result of granting independance of Chechenia would be an islamic state?

Originally posted by Kidicious


Eh. They pretty much lost their independence, at least for a while, when we invaded them.

Their independance was temporarily limited. Russia's not going to give Chechens independance after any time.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Heresson
How do You know that the result of granting independance of Chechenia would be an islamic state?

Because we now associate any fringe group with Islamisists, and thus the entire population must be fundamentalist.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Kidicious
I don't think Americans are that outraged. Why? Because media hasn't told us to be. It's interesting to me.

Hey, don't blame us. We've printed and broadcasted this story, but if folks don't want to read about it or listen to it, our hands are tied. We've done our part, now it's up to the public.

Gatekeeper

[Whoha]

Originally posted by Heresson


How do You know that the result of granting independance of Chechenia would be an islamic state?

Mainly from reading and comprehension of the History of Chechnya link I posted. An Islamic state was established in 1999, supported terrorism against Russia, and promptly got crushed.

[Heresson]

It didn't support terrorism against Russia. It condemned raid on Dagestan.

[The Emperor Fabulous]

Originally posted by Whoha



Mainly from reading and comprehension of the History of Chechnya link I posted. An Islamic state was established in 1999, supported terrorism against Russia, and promptly got crushed.

Actually, it supported further revolution to become a fully independent state (which it wasn't in 1999). It has condemned terrorism.