Ahh, Women...

[Pekka]

And it's not all the time that women behave like psychos. It's just some of the time. Thats why men need the STRONG MAN FAQ... it's to be used if the man is tired and can't just handle the woman complexity. BEcause you can't argue with facts in those situation, and you will always lose. If the man is tired, and he wants it to stop, he uses the STRONG MAN FAQ and pre-emptive strike.

[Snowflake]

Originally posted by Pekka
Woman says 'I don't like that you don't argue with me', really meaning 'I want to hear that you care for me'.
The first sentence doesnt' really make the second sentence a fact. The first sentence means that she doesn't lkie that someone doesn't argue her. Everything else is just signal or indication to another thing what she really is trying to say or mean. But the first sentence remains. And the man, understanding the words, understand what the sentence REALLY means, not what it is supposed to mean (I want to hear ..). Now, a man says, well why don't you say that then?

Because you'll be mad when she says that? You do realize that you are suggesting she saying something that you have claimed that you do not want to hear do you? And there she thought she's being more considerate and understanding your feeling and be more tactiful.

Just because someone would claim, that woman is more complex, it doesn't make her arguments facts. Men rely on facts most of the times, simple facts. Women try to say, it's not that simple, trying to defy facts. They hide it under the word 'complex'. That's what I mean by complexity is taken out of its very definition by a woman. Because what the word really means, is again, hidden by that horrible agenda of scrambling and defying simple facts.

And yes, of course complex and simple co-exists, because they're each others opposites. But what woman tries to hide as complex thing doesn't equal complex by its very factual definition.

Now, women are supposed to be in touch with their emotions, and express themselves, and taht's the part that men sometimes have hard time understanding, because they express those complex issues, and that would equal the complex behaviour. NOW if you disagree with that, that it's not the same as complex behaviour, the two don't connect, then women are NOT in touch with their feelings. And then there is just no explanation for the complex behaviour AT ALL. And thus, there is no excuse for it. Or even if you agree, tha tyes, the complex behaviour is because in fact they have complex thoughts, then again it doesn't justify complex behaviour because it in fact isn't complex, because if it was, it would still have to rely on facts.

Come now, let's leave the whole complex and simple argument. And I thought their it was claimed that women was the one who couldn't stop argueing.

Women are simple. Really. They wants very little. Just show them that you love them and care for them from time to time, and if she loves you than she would be really happy. It's that simple. And it's a fact.

And another fact is, this woman has to run home and take care of her own SO and her own unit. And she had to work extra hours tonight to make up the work she missed because of her involvement in the Saving the misunderstanding pekka operation.

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Snowflake


Often times though, when she was asking you to do something, like taking out the trash, she is doing something else, like bathing the kids. It's not like she is sitting in the sofa with you and watching the TV with a beer in her hands. Now how's that for a sterotype.

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sadly, this was my last girlfriend, no kids, and she loved watching MTV all the ****ing time. asked me to get things and run errands she was perfectly capable of. didnt put out at all either.

[Ben Kenobi]

What you should have said, is that you would be there with her all the time. And of course you knew that she would be in a cracky mode and you'd be the casualty of her fire, but what does it matter if you could only make her feel a little better. And by this you'd make her so moved by your willing sacrifice and say "I wouldn't be mad at you!" And she'll actually try not to be mad at you when the time comes. And if she is about to be mad at the time you can subtly mention this "See I told you you'd be mad at me" and if you are lucky enough she'd laugh it off. But remember don't say the last thing when it is too late, for she could say "Yeah of course you are always right and I'm always in cranky mood. Why did you come here then? Why don't you just get out and leave me alone!"

Right. That approach got me ditched. I wanted to help, and it didn't matter anyways. She found someone else that would be there for the fun stuff but not willing to put up with the hard times.

[Pekka]

"Because you'll be mad when she says that? You do realize that you are suggesting she saying something that you have claimed that you do not want to hear do you? And there she thought she's being more considerate and understanding your feeling and be more tactiful."

Well don't make much sense to start fight over the other thing to get to the other thing now does it?
And at that point, only for one week in, that's not an issue even.. she can ask me that for sures. If she thinks I'd get mad about it, then she should do it anyway, because hey, better odds for not fighting than starting a fight straight away. Besides, if she would think I'd get mad, then it would mean I do like her, but I'm just tired of saying it all the time, thus what's the point of asking anyway if she knows it. Well, this is really not an issue though. I'm not arguing this one. I guess there's no right or wrong in this one.

No you can't give up and try to disregard my whole big theory. That's rude. I spent a lot of time trying to put it into words, partially failing, but at the last explanation I think I came pretty good with what I was trying to say. English is my second language so it's not always easy to put things on writing, when you have to explain something and have difficult things like definitions, facts, complexity by two different definitons, facts, non-facts etc. You have to come through! Either accept my theory, or kill it with facts. Surrender or keep on fighting.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm hearing impaired myself and I've saved myself from many a tricky question with it. But don't be afraid of hearing aids, you can still use such tricks with it and look genuine. And besides, you can always be too stubborn to wear them unless really necessary.

Indeed. I am in the same boat. Hearing aids help for many things, but they do not restore your former hearing.

One other thing, is that you will find yourself reading lips off other people. Generally, in doing this, you get to be seen as rather attentive.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sometimes it's a question of ambiant background noise, depending on the frequency. There are circumstances when I can hear great, and others when I have problems. So he may not be necessarily spoofing you.

It can really depend on the frequency. I can hear low pitches very well, but I can't hear fire alarms when standing 5 feet from them.

[Ben Kenobi]

But selective hearing is hardly a strictly male thing you know. (and thanks to the wondrous technology of MSN, they always happen to have just left, or happen to have been occupied by something significant, when something tricky comes up.

Very true.

[Ben Kenobi]

Women has different views about love from men. Men think love as if it is a stone. There, it is there. See? It was there yesterday. Why wouldn't it be there today? Women think love as if it is a tree. You need to water it everyday.

I'll have to remember that. Thanks Snowflake.

[MRT144]

also she always wanted me to carry her cell phone and house keys and other things while she didnt have a purse. when i asked her why she didnt, she said the cell phone made her look fat. i told her only retards and self absorbed *****es would think that.

[Ben Kenobi]

And the last "pre-emptive strike" is really a nice touch. I'd be surprised if any girl would be stupid enough to hang around with you after that. Not only slow to understand her, not only uncare about the non-physical side of her, but also rude and disrespective.

That depends on the situation. You can't keep fighting about this stuff forever. Either the two of you will come to some kind of compromise, and won't bring up a subject or you will go your separate ways. If you have already discussed something and then come to that agreement, then it makes sense to go this route, and can be the only way to preserve a relationship for a long time.

It's not disrespectful, but rather, you are saying that I care about you and what you believe, but it's not worth a fight that will lead to no progress.

[Pekka]

MRT144, come on, please say you made that up? The cell phone thing .

[MRT144]

i did not.

[Pekka]

OMG Ohh the PAIN! I'm sorry..

[MRT144]

yeah, obviously my opinion of women and relationships is scewwed by her. It really makes me believe that i can not be compatible with any women if they are like this.