remember those teenage abstinence pledges?

[Ben Kenobi]

if people are getting married because they think they are in love, but really want to jump each others' bones, i personally think it's more damaging in the long run than if they knew exactly what it was that they were getting into.

Q Cubed:

Why then does Paul exhort Christians, that it is better to marry than burn?

One should have a desire to sleep with someone you want to marry, alongside the love you talk about. However, Paul thought it better for the couple to commit to each other than to burn with passion while unmarried.

No one who marries knows what they are getting themselves into. Fact of life. They can tip the odds in their favour, but the do not truly know beforehand.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then you'll have no difficulty in citing actual figures of success rates, then.

Last time I looked at these figures... pledges had significantly lower success rates than condom use.

Oh, it's not pledges that I am referring to. Much more scientific research involved.

Ever hear of the Billings Ovulation Method?

http://www.billings-centre.ab.ca/

[MrBaggins]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Oh, it's not pledges that I am referring to. Much more scientific research involved.

Ever hear of the Billings Ovulation Method?

http://www.billings-centre.ab.ca/

Uh... where does it mention data on STD transmission rates?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

and why shouldn't you wait? You're already gettin' some. Why marry at all?

So you admit that, as a pledger, sex is a driving force to be married? Thanks for proving my point.

Let's see. A woman who wants to wait until marriage consenting to anal sex.

Right, that's likely.

One pledger I knew certainly didn't object to a little bump 'n grind (non-coital) and give 'n take for oral sex.

She also had porn, liked sex games, and had a habit of grabbing a friend of mine's penis. She married a priest-in-training at 18; both of them were hard up.

Another one I knew couldn't stop talking about sex, and wanted to marry a marine (him 26, her 18). I don't know if they ever did. I think he backed off cuz she was too hard up. Cute tho', damn shame.

Another one just plain broke her pledge.

p.s. You guys added 4 ****in pages in 1 day!?

[Q Classic]

Why then does Paul exhort Christians, that it is better to marry than burn?

One should have a desire to sleep with someone you want to marry, alongside the love you talk about. However, Paul thought it better for the couple to commit to each other than to burn with passion while unmarried.

No one who marries knows what they are getting themselves into. Fact of life. They can tip the odds in their favour, but the do not truly know beforehand.

the last part of that statement is true, about not knowing.

however, say they get married and jump each others' bones. nine months later, a mewling, stinking, drooling, and cute bald ball of flesh comes tumbling out, but by this time, the two have already decided that they don't like each other very much.

that little bundle of joy isn't going to be joyful for very long.

i'm not saying that they should have sex if they're not going to get married; i'm just saying that linking marriage to sex in that fashion is quite simply the wrong answer to the problem that is modern values surrounding sex and marriage.

sex shouldn't be viewed as a reward for marriage. it shouldn't be viewed as a priviledge. it shouldn't be viewed as a benefit. sex is what it is. it doesn't have meaning outside of a deeply committed, loving, permanent relationship, i.e., marriage. to do things without meaning...

[Theben]

dp

[Q Classic]

as far as the ovulation method... i read an article which showed that women can be fertile at times when the ovulation method said they shouldn't be. i'm looking for the link now.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
as far as the ovulation method... i read an article which showed that women can be fertile at times when the ovulation method said they shouldn't be. i'm looking for the link now.

and sperms can survive for 7-10 days inside the uterus, which makes for a pretty damn short window between menustrual periods and the 'danger zone'.

Unless you don't mind a little blood on yer pecker...

[MRT144]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
99% of kids who do not pledge have intercourse before they are married.

whered you get that from?

[Whaleboy]

Sex is fun
Fun is good
We should do good things

Ergo, sex is good, and we should all have sex. NOW!!!

[Ben Kenobi]

Uh... where does it mention data on STD transmission rates?

Read the method, and tell me why they would not need those figures.

[Ben Kenobi]

whered you get that from?

First post in the thread.

[Ben Kenobi]

i read an article which showed that women can be fertile at times when the ovulation method said they shouldn't be. i'm looking for the link now.

Again, the ovulation method deals with that.

Read the link more carefully.

[Whaleboy]

My post was the best piece of reasoning I've ever done and you people are IGNORING IT???

[GePap]

What do you call a woman who uses the ovulation method?

Mother.

So it seems ben prefers emotionally stunted failed marriages to the "great evil" of pre-marital sex...