remember those teenage abstinence pledges?

[GePap]

Yes, yes we are

Originally posted by Whaleboy
My post was the best piece of reasoning I've ever done and you people are IGNORING IT???

Yup

[Ben Kenobi]

and sperms can survive for 7-10 days inside the uterus, which makes for a pretty damn short window between menustrual periods and the 'danger zone'.

7-10 days?

Not even in good mucus.

Also, after ovulation, there is a mucus barrier that forms, which does not allow the sperm to pass.

You need to be careful in the first part of the cycle, after menstruation, becuase sometimes the mucus will allow sperm to pass through.

Again, read the method. They answer most of the objections, much better than I can.

[Whaleboy]

Beautiful

*Whaleboy runs into corner, cries*

[Whaleboy]

BK, if you're so familiar with the female reproductive system, how come you're against sex?

Bad experiences eh?

[Ben Kenobi]

Sex is fun
Fun is good
We should do good things

Ergo, sex is good, and we should all have sex. NOW!!!

1. Rape is intercourse, and rape is not fun.

[MRT144]

for who?

[Ben Kenobi]

So you admit that, as a pledger, sex is a driving force to be married? Thanks for proving my point.

Yes.

But there are other reasons why I do not, so clearly, it is not the only, nor is it the most prominent reason for me to marry.

One pledger I knew certainly didn't object to a little bump 'n grind (non-coital) and give 'n take for oral sex.

Again, not likely from my perspective. I don't deny that there are some, but I would think the majority of the women would not be fond of anal intercourse.

Another one I knew couldn't stop talking about sex, and wanted to marry a marine (him 26, her 18). I don't know if they ever did. I think he backed off cuz she was too hard up. Cute tho', damn shame.

See. You prove my point. Just because pledgers are hard up does not mean that they marry.

p.s. You guys added 4 ****in pages in 1 day!?

Considering that it's me on one side, could it not be frusteration of a sort?

[Ben Kenobi]

BK, if you're so familiar with the female reproductive system, how come you're against sex?

Familiar? I wouldn't say that. Most of this is book knowledge so to speak.

Bad experiences eh?

You would understand if you saw a pic of my ex. Best argument to take a pledge.

[Ben Kenobi]

What do you call a woman who uses the ovulation method?

Eh, perhaps with the rhythm method, but Billings is not rhythm.

Why don't you look at the link and educate yourself.

So it seems ben prefers emotionally stunted failed marriages to the "great evil" of pre-marital sex...

I say that both are evil, one not worse than the other. Is that concept so difficult to understand?

[Whaleboy]

1. Rape is intercourse, and rape is not fun.

Such an act may be "fun" (very simplistically) for one, but the others negative fun cancels it out, so generally the level is 0. I would postulate that negative fun is greater than positive, so the act is implicitely not fun. In other words, sex in the sense that I use the word, has to be mutually fun. If its fun for all and not hurting anyone else, get ****ing!

Familiar? I wouldn't say that. Most of this is book knowledge so to speak.

Some book!! I really should become religious

[Ben Kenobi]

however, say they get married and jump each others' bones. nine months later, a mewling, stinking, drooling, and cute bald ball of flesh comes tumbling out, but by this time, the two have already decided that they don't like each other very much.

Are you aware that this ad is used by planned parenthood to promote abortions? Same concept. It is bad form to argue from the worst position against, the ideal. Where there are a few cases like this, is it not better to have made the commitment in marriage, rather than to have done precisely the same thing outside of marriage?

If marriage has any meaning to the participants, then they will not split up as soon as the baby shows up, becuase they anticipate this desire and have some means of preparing themselves.

This same couple has no such security outside of marriage, no promises to stay together.

sex shouldn't be viewed as a reward for marriage. it shouldn't be viewed as a priviledge. it shouldn't be viewed as a benefit. sex is what it is. it doesn't have meaning outside of a deeply committed, loving, permanent relationship, i.e., marriage. to do things without meaning...

I agree fully. Well said.

[Ben Kenobi]

sex in the sense that I use the word,

"When I use a word, it means just what I say it means, neither more nor less. "

[Whaleboy]

I differentiate between sex between two consenting people and non-consenting sex. Attempting to link the two on anything other than the physiological act is problematic at best. If you thought I was advocating rape then that is quite a misunderstanding on your part!!

[Ben Kenobi]

No, just laughing at your phrasing, that's all.

Yes, I agree, but now, you have denied your first premise. Clearly, not all sex is fun. Certain conditions need to exist in order for sex to be fun.

[Theben]

It is bad form to argue from the worst position against, the ideal.

You should practice what you preach.