remember those teenage abstinence pledges?

[Ben Kenobi]

I take you've never been thru a divorce?

I have not done either, so my biases are equal.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

Pledging, if you look at my first post, has a big effect on whether or not kids wait for marriage, which ought to be the goal, not 'waiting until you feel ready' which just means that if you are horny enough, you should go for it.

So the only point is to get married, no matter the reasoning? For one decrying gay marriage as devaluing the institution, that is an interesting perspective.

Oh, wait, should I have not pointed that out?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

I have not done either, so my biases are equal.

And I've been thru both, so I speak from experience, as you do not.

[Ben Kenobi]

I really can't take seriously the idea that God cares about teenagers having sex.

Why should he care about anyone having intercourse, eh?

Why should he care if you rob your neighbour, or beat the hobo on the street?

Why should he care about anything that we do?

[Spiffor]

So divorce is worse than sleeping around? That's an interesting perspective.

Definitely. Divorce often involves a difficult legal process, a grave emotional scar for the divorcees and a terrible, often traumatic, emotional scars for the children if there are any.

A divorce is infinitely worse than an ordinary break up, and I'm not even talking about an agreement that the one night sex session will have no followings (see just how scarred Self Biased is after havung acknowledged he won't see Delilah anymore? )

[Ben Kenobi]

So the only point is to get married, no matter the reasoning? For one decrying gay marriage as devaluing the institution, that is an interesting perspective.

No, read again what I said.

And I've been thru both, so I speak from experience, as you do not.

So then how can you sympathise with the pledgers? You do not share their situation.

[Ben Kenobi]

A divorce is infinitely worse than an ordinary break up, and I'm not even talking about an agreement that the one night sex session will have no followings (see just how scarred Self Biased is after havung acknowledged he won't see Delilah anymore?

You might have a case, if I did not believe that the two are connected, that one begets the other. In seperating love from intercourse, then you also erode one of the bonds in marriage.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

No, read again what I said.

I read what you said. The result is that kids get married for the wrong reasons.

So then how can you sympathise with the pledgers? You do not share their situation.

I've known quite a few, and whenever they met someone they really liked, they wanted to get married ASAP so they could justify desiring sex.

[Kontiki]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi


Why should he care about anyone having intercourse, eh?

Why should he care if you rob your neighbour, or beat the hobo on the street?

Why should he care about anything that we do?

Ben, I'm curious. What precisely makes pre-marital sex immoral?

[Spiffor]

You might have a case, if I did not believe that the two are connected, that one begets the other. In seperating love from intercourse, then you also erode one of the bonds in marriage.

So what about those people who rush their marriage for the sake of sex? What about those people who pledge to avoid going to hell, rather than pledging for the sake of linking sex with their one eternal love?

[Theben]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi

You might have a case, if I did not believe that the two are connected, that one begets the other. In seperating love from intercourse, then you also erode one of the bonds in marriage.

Which is what happens to pledgers.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Kontiki
Ben, I'm curious. What precisely makes pre-marital sex immoral?

The Bible.

[Kontiki]

I'm actually looking for something a little more explicit than just "the Bible". Perhaps Ben could quote some scripture detailing where it says God frowns on all forms of pre-marital sex, or perhaps simply explain why God might think that it's a problem.

[Ben Kenobi]

What precisely makes pre-marital sex immoral?

1 Corinthians 6:16

"Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, 'The two will become one flesh.' "

[Ben Kenobi]

Which is what happens to pledgers.

That they only sleep with the one they love?

If so, I agree.