Indisputable Abortion FACTS:

[Zylka]

Originally posted by The Templar
I am not interested in arguing with anti-woman religious zealots who only care about fetuses insofar as said fetuses can be used to steal the rights of women to control their reproductive capacity.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I missed this gem, thanks!!! Hey everyone - MISTAR TEMPLAR SUMS UP OPPOSITION ARGUMENT after taking women/victim studies and severe blows to the head for several years strsight. Let's look at that again:

anti-woman religious zealots who only care about fetuses insofar as said fetuses can be used to steal the rights of women to control their reproductive capacity.

Indeed! The man just wants to chain her down with fetuses, is all. George Carlin says so, and I was even friends with a girl, once!

hehehehe, please continue - buddy

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Zylka
All because you say so! Indeed, I HATE WOMEN, AND IT'S ALL THEIR FAULT. Put yourself in a situation where you have to ethically decide over an abortion yet at the same time don't at all want the child who you admit fault for, then we'll see who's "anti woman" and rather who's "anti themselves" in accepting like suffering in avoiding what essentially could be death.

If I have to decide about abroting an unwanted child I'm at fault for, I'll discuss with the mother to reach a consensus. Depending on the circumstances and of the possible consequences of the pregnancy & brith, we'll decide together for or against an abortion.

How anti-woman of me.

(BTW, I am pretty much in the situation where I wouldn't call for abortion: my studies are almost over, and I should have no trouble finding a stable job with them. My family can support me during the transition time. Such can not be said about my gf however, since she is following "swim or drown" studies, and a pregnancy would ruin it definitely. I'm sure she'd be far more eager for abortion than myself)

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui

Resorting to ad hominums because you can't prove your point? Very bad form .

The fact is if you cannot understand the other side without resorting to name calling, then you are simply an ideologue who really hasn't thought things through. Knowing and respecting the other side's arguments is fundamental for a good understanding of the issue (any issue).

Thanks Imran. I feel bad enough doing so in response, but he's just so cute! NOW GET U AND YER FETUS BACK IN THE KITCHEN AND BAKE ME A F*CKING PIE WHILE SCRUBBING THE FLOOR NAKED

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Spiffor

If I have to decide about abroting an unwanted child I'm at fault for, I'll discuss with the mother to reach a consensus. Depending on the circumstances and of the possible consequences of the pregnancy & brith, we'll decide together for or against an abortion.

How anti-woman of me.

Oh gee! How anti woman of ME - because IT ACTUALLY F*CKING HAPPENED.

Guess what? I did exactly what you described, and she moved contrary to my opinion, with my support. I still hold myself equally responsible for conception, I still love her, and those will never change. Now what is all of this anti woman bullsh*t, again?

[Spiffor]

I supposed that your conceptions about pregnancy directly came for this story, but I had forgotten if there were followings or not.

Besides, I didn't understand you post well... Did she move to a place far away from you ? Did she decide to raise the kid alone ?

[Dom Pedro II]

Oh yes, humanity deserves death. Again, after you - as*hole.

Somebody's wound just a LEEETTLE too tight today....

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Spiffor
I supposed that your conceptions about pregnancy directly came for this story, but I had forgotten if there were followings or not.

Besides, I didn't understand you post well... Did she move to a place far away from you ? Did she decide to raise the kid alone ?

My views came well before this, hence my own decision... and hers?

ABORT

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II



Somebody's wound just a LEEETTLE too tight today....

I'm just a LEEETTLE too tired of dealing with 14 year olds who should go back listening to their GOTH/INDY/FREEDOM/METAL and wishing death on the world, actually.

[Ben Kenobi]

Spiffor:

It's a common tactic to use testimonies to sway the debate, so let's have a look at your example.

With her first boyfriend, she became pregnant once (at 18 or so) without agreement of the boyfriend. Since he was not going to marry her anytime soon, and since a continued pregnancy would mean for them to break up, she finally gave in and aborted. It was a trauma and she swore never to abort again.

What about adoption? If the father won't accept his responsibilities, and the mother cannot take care of her child on her own, they should give the child to those who will be able to take care of her.

Secondly, how can a woman get pregnant 'without the agreement of the boyfriend'? Did she lie to her first boyfriend about being on the pill?


So the situation at this point is:

- this girl spends her whole energy raising her 7 months-old baby and studying. She sleeps fewer than 6 hours a night, 7/7.
- this girl is in a sentimental wreckage. She longs for her old boyfriend as well as for the 'passerby' from two year ago, while ****ging another (manipulable because geeky and previously virgin) guy. She also ****s random men from time to time.
That doesn't require any energy: she revolves in a geeky circle of friends, and her openness attracted men to her, not the other way around.
- This girl is in serious financial trouble. She has an overpriced flat, but she cannot move in another cheaper suburbian town, because she'd lose her precious priority at the kindergarten. She has no time to look for practical solutions.
- This girl is exhausted and regularily cries on my shoulder. At that point, she barely eats to be able to feed her kid, because of money shortage.
- This girl is pregnant.

If you care so much for this girl, why didn't you try to find some help for her financially? Secondly, again if she cannot take care of her child, she should give her child up for adoption. Why is this not an option?

There was no way for me to allow her to throw her life, the life of her daughter, the life of the upcoming kid, and the life of her lover down the gutter.

Down the gutter? How would adoption cause any of these things? If the life was so good in the first place, why did a pregnancy cause so many problems?

because her burden was alleviated.

Could none of this happen if the child were born? None of this seems to have anything to do with the abortion. You need to make a better connection.

[Dom Pedro II]

I'm just a LEEETTLE too tired of dealing with 14 year olds who should go back listening to their GOTH/INDY/FREEDOM/METAL and wishing death on the world, actually.

Apparently too tired to read as well!

[Dis]

abortion is just a slap in the face to all of those people who want children, but cannot have them.

not that I think it should be illegal. I support early abortions.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Spiffor

If I have to decide about abroting an unwanted child I'm at fault for, I'll discuss with the mother to reach a consensus. Depending on the circumstances and of the possible consequences of the pregnancy & brith, we'll decide together for or against an abortion.

How anti-woman of me.

(BTW, I am pretty much in the situation where I wouldn't call for abortion: my studies are almost over, and I should have no trouble finding a stable job with them. My family can support me during the transition time. Such can not be said about my gf however, since she is following "swim or drown" studies, and a pregnancy would ruin it definitely. I'm sure she'd be far more eager for abortion than myself)

spiffor u know there is such a thing as adoption. I know u think being an orphan "sucks." but never having gotten a chance to live or decide sucks a lot more.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II



Apparently too tired to read as well!

You mean to read this?:

There are those days when I wish I had been... and today (as you can tell) is one of those days.

And if there is no one who wishes they had been aborted, it is only because they have had the chance to live... but honestly, in a world as craptacular as this one, wouldn't it just be easier if we'd never set foot on it at all?

I'm also a proponent of the Nuke the World campaign in case you didn't know...

Still waiting for that asteroid....

HI!

[Dom Pedro II]

but never having gotten a chance to live or decide sucks a lot more.

How does it suck a lot more?? If you never even KNEW you existed, how can it suck for you? It's much worse to have lived as an orphan than to never have lived at all.

[Dom Pedro II]

No, actually, Zylka... I met to read my LOCATION. I'm two years younger than you... slightly less by 24 days actually.