Indisputable Abortion FACTS:

[Zylka]

Originally posted by tinyp3nis
Zylka, are you serious? Do you actually believe anything you are saying? I wonder if your just a pro-choicer trolling your ass off.

Go ahead and tell me why through rhetoric/debate, although I'm always rather fond and impressed with the use of an emoticon.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Zylka
Ok guys, I'm sorry to have become so aggravated - but here's the basic conversation as I recieve it [feel free to show me your own version ]

You're completely wrong, Z, as you are putting all prochoicers in the same bag.
There are some prochoicers who argue the embryo is not a human being.
Some others try to show that an embryo doesn't have individual rights, and argue that the mother comes first.
Some others (to which I belong) dismiss the whole embryo issue as irrelevant and discuss about the future of the women and the children.
A few try to sicuss about all 3 elements, but it is the best way to become confused.

By mixing the 3 kinds of pro-choice arguments into one mix allows you to take some cheap shot on the pro-choicers

[Zylka]

Oh, I also like that one

I'm dealing with the people I've been arguing with, and have set a universal tone of opposition argument for it. Unfortunatelty I have not as much been attending to your points, they're rather original and exception like in their own.

So combining your completely off base whims with my illustrated defence of others is not an option to discredit what I've outlined. Try a little harder!

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Zylka
Oh, I also like that one

I'm dealing with the people I've been arguing with, and have set a universal tone of opposition argument for it. Unfortunatelty I have not as much been attending to your points, they're rather original and exception like in their own.

So combining your completely off base whims with my illustrated defence of others is not an option to discredit what I've outlined. Try a little harder!

I did not understand this post. What should I try harder ?

Besides, here's another critic to your version : you dramatically overestimate the flexibility of your opponents. You think they are actually changing their mind while reading your arguments. You think they are giving concessions to your arguments over time. Well, you're wrong. Only Ramo did make concessions, and you have seen how much nonsense the Zylka / Ramo debate was.

Basically, you're repeating over and over the same rehashed crap since the beginning of the thread: that the embryo is a full fledged human, and that its destruction is murder plain and simple. There is no variation to your simplistic argument, except when you say pregnant women had it coming.

On the other side, you have a variety of points of views, which don't change. This leads to some wonderful dialogues, when you say "how many times must I tell you this is so ?", and your opponent replies "No, how many time must I tell you that it is that way ?". This fits my definition of pointless, but maybe that's just me.

[Zylka]

I am not saying they are changing mind, but countless have said - "ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt in saying a fetus is human for debate. Yet even if it was, [...]"

There's nothing wrong with my outlined conversation, because if you look back and read through the thread - you'll see it all happened often 2 or 3 times.

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Basically, you're repeating over and over the same rehashed crap since the beginning of the thread: that the embryo is a full fledged human, and that its destruction is murder plain and simple. There is no variation to your simplistic argument, except when you say pregnant women had it coming.

Go back and read. Or would you like me to drag out posts (within the last 30 even) - that completely contradict what you've just said?

[Zylka]

Originally posted by Spiffor

Only Ramo did make concessions, and you have seen how much nonsense the Zylka / Ramo debate was.

Because you say so! Yet a majority of the others active in this thread caught on to and branched out from that argument. I guess it's all whatever you consider nonsense, even if you're the only person in the thread who has declared such.

Another humble individual

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Zylka
There's nothing wrong with my outlined conversation

Well, if you repeat it enough, it may become true. There, I'll help it making it true: "there is nothing wrong with your outlined conversation", repeat after me

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Zylka
Go back and read. Or would you like me to drag out posts (within the last 30 even) - that completely contradict what you've just said?

Come and humiliate me.

[Zylka]

Come and humiliate me:

Originally posted by Spiffor

Basically, you're repeating over and over the same rehashed crap since the beginning of the thread: that the embryo is a full fledged human, and that its destruction is murder plain and simple.

Originally posted by Zylka

1 - Simply because "you said so"? Gee, not even I am arrogant or delusional enough to arrive at the concrete conclusion of whether or not a fetus is always living. Given the significant opinion chance that it is (which you can and have NOT disproved) - YOU DON'T RISK MURDER

Awww. That’s too bad. Anything else?

[Zylka]

One more thing:

Originally posted by Spiffor

Basically, you're repeating over and over the same rehashed crap since the beginning of the thread: that the embryo is a full fledged human, and that its destruction is murder plain and simple.

Find the word "embryo" in even one of my preceding posts.

[Spiffor]

Ah, so that was your strawman. Ok I wrote embryo in place of foetus, because I'm not used differentiating the two.

[Zylka]

...because they are often different things in other's minds - not always the singular entity you self describe. Oh look - another lesson in humility! (Still waiting for you to respond to the "humiliate me" answered post)

[Spiffor]

Re: Come and humiliate me:

Originally posted by Zylka
Awww. That’s too bad. Anything else?

I stand corrected.

So, I'll now repeat with corrections:
"Basically, you're repeating over and over the same rehashed crap since the beginning of the thread: that the foetus may be a full fledged human, and that its destruction may be murder plain and simple."

Happy now ?

[Zylka]

Not until others come by tommorrow and see me making an ass of you in the last few posts.

Seriously though spiffy, this topic aside - you're great