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"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Then what are you saying, if anything? What do these comparisons mean, at all? Is there any specific reason you are indeed bringing them up?Originally posted by Ramo
I never said that killing any animal is ok.Comment
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Other than the fact it can theoreticly be a fullgrown human, I don't see a difference.Originally posted by Zylka
I'd just like to ask one question before continuing pointing out the obvious:
Do any of you pro-choicers plan to admit that a HUMAN FETUS is NOT an animal???
This is actually true from a personal religious perspective as well. As a Reform Jew, during confirmation class the Rabbi at our temple advised us that according to his interpretation of passages in the Kabballa, abortions are not objectionable from a religious perspective. The reason for this is when several Rabbis are providing commentary on whether a baby being born can be killed in order to save a mothers life, one Rabbi argues that it is permissible because the baby has no soul until it draws its first breath. Since the key distinction between animals and humans is the posession of a soul, there is therefore no difference between fetuses and animals.Comment
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Watching something die is unpleasant to me. Whether it's a cow or a human fetus or a human adult. The same is probably true for most people. That's why people generally prefer to kill fetuses inside the womb. That's why people generally prefer not to watch cows being slaughtered when they buy a hamburger.Then what are you saying, if anything? What do these comparisons mean, at all? Is there any specific reason you are indeed bringing them up?"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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Thank you for your honest reply... I as well as others know where you stand now, and can't expect to change that view. In curiosness, where did your religious upbrining take place?Originally posted by Mordoch
the baby has no soul until it draws its first breath.Comment
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In Denver, Colorado at Temple Sinai Religious School if you want the details.Originally posted by Zylka
Thank you for your honest reply... I as well as others know where you stand now, and can't expect to change that view. In curiosness, where did your religious upbrining take place?Comment
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Ok - so let me ask you, on a personal level:Originally posted by Ramo
Watching something die is unpleasant to me. Whether it's a cow or a human fetus or a human adult. The same is probably true for most people. That's why people generally prefer to kill fetuses inside the womb. That's why people generally prefer not to watch cows being slaughtered when they buy a hamburger.
-Is it ok to kill an animal for reasons of our own comfort?
-Is it ok to kill an adult human invalid, for not wanting to care for it?
-Is it ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?
-If yes for the previous, at what point is it NOT ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?
Thank you...Comment
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Sava are you certain that there is a surplus of babies waiting for parents to adopt them? It seems obvious that the opposite is the case. Just look how competive the adoption process is for babies. Couples who are technically qualified still end up waiting for years and never getting to adopt. If all abortions were outlawed supply would almost certainly widely surpass demand and we'd have a lot more kids growing up in orphanages but as things stand essentially 100% of all healthy infants put up for adoption in this country are immediately snatched up by loving parents. The reason we still have kids waiting to be adopted is because these couples are often vastly less willing to take on the enormous responibility of adopting a child with health problems, or a child who became 'orphaned' later in life than infancy through circumstances.
From the standpoint of unwanted children I think it's safe to say that the numbers of healthy infants available for adoption could increase 10 fold or more before we would have anything but a baby shortage.Last edited by Geronimo; August 3, 2003, 22:46.Comment
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Yes (depending on the animal's intelligence and the specific circumstances), no, yes, and after the second trimester.-Is it ok to kill an animal for reasons of our own comfort?
-Is it ok to kill an adult human invalid, for not wanting to care for it?
-Is it ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?
-If yes for the previous, at what point is it NOT ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?
Thank you...
Oops, misread the first question."Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
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I believe in reincarnation, so for me, an abortion doesn't really matter - the soul will just go to some other place instead.
Does that sound whacked and new-agey? I hope not."mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem"
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That's kind of silly, you somehow have a soul when you first breath.
I find it typical that people would argue when is a baby a baby and not argue that killing anything for no good reason is justifiable.be freeComment
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no, no, it always has a soul, it's just that it just goes to a new host body...
I really only think of bodies as glorified vessels, anyway."mono has crazy flow and can rhyme words that shouldn't, like Eminem"
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-If yes for the previous, at what point is it NOT ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?Why? What differences define this? Please explain. Thank you…after the second trimester.Comment
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[quote]-Is it ok to kill an animal for reasons of our own comfort?[/qoute]
Originally posted by Ramo
Yes (depending on the animal's intelligence and the specific circumstances)sAnother interesting point! So a dolphin’s life is worth more than a human fetus’ existence. Can I put that in my signature?-Is it ok to kill a human fetus, for not wanting to raise it?
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-Is it ok to kill an animal for reasons of our own comfort?Originally posted by Ramo
Yes (depending on the animal's intelligence and the specific circumstances)-Is it ok to kill an adult human invalid, for not wanting to care for it?Oh – so a human invalid with less intelligence than a cow (which is a burden to society) can not be killed. Yet cows are always killed to feed. Yet wait:Originally posted by Ramo
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So there are two animals, one less intelligent than the other. The smarter animal is routinely killed for comfort, and you say that is ok. Furthermore, you have clearly defined that this is on a basis of intelligence and circumstance. Circumstance provided, taking care of an invalid for his/her entire life will cost society more than the benefits of the food provided by a single cow. Yet the cow is somehow intrinsically worth more on an intelligence level (the invalid can not even eat, communicate, or defecate according to proper situation). Yet the cow is ok to kill, and the invalid is not. Wait a second!Originally posted by Ramo
A human adult is an animal
Whoops! Game over, you’ve defeated yourself. Submit any defensive adjustments you deem necessary to the people who just saw that.Comment
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