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"Convincing" someone is very difficult if they just ignore what I saidOriginally posted by yavoon
abortion is a life saver. wow the diction of a giant.
u can certainly agree w/ the law. but u have to be able to support ur case out of more than convenience. u have to convince ppl that even if that weren't the law that would be the right way to go.
Besides I am no freakin' missionary. Convince yourself!
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I just realised why I never go out in public - you're held accountable for everything you do or say, whether or NOT you think anyone's actually paying attention.
Now I REALLY hate you.
Oh well, the moment's gone.
We're losing some GORGEOUS light, here, sweetheart!
See ya on the other side of the sky.
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k, just wanted to point out that the convenience of the law is not a good place to hide behind in a debate.Originally posted by Atahualpa
"Convincing" someone is very difficult if they just ignore what I said
Besides I am no freakin' missionary. Convince yourself!
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st_swithin would you stop posting nonsense and lend your hand to MrOgre who would surely need someone stripping of all the comments
Spiffor: about the story, well fine. Hmm I wont make up an opinion because if I dont know all the details myself I dont want to judge...
Nevertheless I think your feelings of pride are completely wrong here. Remember that, you are argumenting in a gray zone. There is no wrong or right here, or it is so close together its almost mixed. If you favor one descision over the other you just followed your opinion (belief) and thats quite an easy thing to do, in my eyes nothing to be "proud" of.
From what you have wrote I think you have acted wrong in that you have suggested a certain way to go. I think everyone here has a valid point. Zylka has, you have and when you are alone in a discussion with a woman I think you would have to bring all these points into a discussion, but not to confuse the woman, instead stabilize her so that she can make a choice as a rational fully aware human and you'd have to live with whatever her choice was.
Of course bringing in all these points doesnt sound like "you know its murder do you?". Its more like talking with her what it would be for her when the fetus gets "killed", so that she gets aware of that situation. If she cant accept the fact that the fetus gets "killed" she should not go for abortion. (killed in quotes as I dont want to decide here if its a own living being or just part of the mothers body; I believe the second, but I am not the ultimate opinion)
But well dont take me too serious, apart from what you wrote I know nothing about the story or the persons and therefore my position is a bit whacky to throw in arguments.
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okOriginally posted by yavoon
k, just wanted to point out that the convenience of the law is not a good place to hide behind in a debate.
but thats what spiffor said, my point was that I am satisfied with the law as it is and therefore would not change it. Of course thats just an opinion....
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well then I would point that why you are satisfied is whats important. or less oddly phrased. ur reasoning.Originally posted by Atahualpa
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but thats what spiffor said, my point was that I am satisfied with the law as it is and therefore would not change it. Of course thats just an opinion....
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Good golly... You see, the couples that can't get children in a normal sexual intercouse usually choose to try expensive clinical methods, as they selfishly want to have a baby of their own, not an adopted one. Is that right then? Well, I can't say that, but at least think about how many children go unadopted already because of that. Now you would multiple that number.Originally posted by Jack_www
Many childless couples that would want to have a baby.
And yes, I agree with Sava that would then have even 10 times more (or so) of unwanted babies waiting for adoption."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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W00t! Someone must have changed the evolution...Originally posted by Zylka
A human fetus is NOT AN ANIMAL.
/me goes off to read Origin of Species by Charles Darwin."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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Exactly.Originally posted by Rex Little
Even if we agree that a fetus is a human being with full human rights, that does not include the right to live inside another person's body without her consent. If she wants it out, that is her right. If it's medically possible to remove it alive and keep it that way, it makes sense to require that instead of killing it. But before the 5th month or so (someone with actual medical knowledge is welcome to supply the correct time) this is not possible. Given that, the only way the mother can reclaim the use of her body is an abortion, and therefore she has that right.
You hit on the nail, Rex Little. Just the same opinion as I have."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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I am still waiting for some sort of evidence that the majority of abortions are a form of primary contraception for women who never intended to get pregnant but never even attempted to use either a normal contraceptive or a morning-after pill.Pro-Choicer: Yet even if she took measures to avoid the pregnancy - it still happens! Think rape or the ever brilliant and consistent "pulling out" contraception method!
Me: Unfortunately - these things do happen, but are in minority case. I would well tackle them before coming to complete terms, only when the majority is dealt with. So from now on, this point is seen as a smokescreen to the major issue, ok?
I find it incredible that women would rather have an abortion than swallow a pill. And I find it incredible that some men (and why is it always men?) actually believe that most women who have abortions feel this way.Comment
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so to avoid the inconvenience of unwanted children u would rather just terminate them.Originally posted by Asuka
Good golly... You see, the couples that can't get children in a normal sexual intercouse usually choose to try expensive clinical methods, as they selfishly want to have a baby of their own, not an adopted one. Is that right then? Well, I can't say that, but at least think about how many children go unadopted already because of that. Now you would multiple that number.
And yes, I agree with Sava that would then have even 10 times more (or so) of unwanted babies waiting for adoption.Comment
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Very good post, IMO, Spiffor.
Makes you think about the fact that such unwanted pregnancies could have actually been avoided all together in the first place. At least myself find it more efficient that way and at least care that much about my partner, so it's not an issue for me, but many men seem to think that only women should have to care about contraception.
Well, gets us back to the recent thread about sex education - i.e. something what is globally needed and should be improved. Especially in the "Third World" countries.
"Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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so to avoid the inconvenience of unwanted children u would rather just terminate them.
You mean that I would become a craddle snatcher and suffocate all "unwanted" children?
And please use more well written English in order to make your message abit more clear."Kids, don't listen to uncle Solver unless you want your parents to spank you." - SolverComment
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