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  • #121
    The most power legally. Politically, the intertwining of the Commons majority and the government means that its powers are quote limited.
    which, surely, is a good thing.

    you'd be surprised how much the current government can get away with, because it has a massive majority.

    How can the devonshire public hold the sussex MPs to account? How can the Bavarian public hold the Bundesrat delegation from Saxony to account? Totally pointless.
    that's really missing the point.

    MPs are part of a national parliament, so obviously they take some part in shaping decisions which affect the whole country, that is what we elect them to do (at least in theory), to represent their local area and its interests in a national parliament. purely local decisions are made by local and county councils, who are in turn elected by the people. we, the people, can make our concerns known through the ballot box, we can't do that for europe.

    as for the EP, as stinger said, we all saw just how powerful it was with santer
    "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

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    • #122
      Did the Topic just switch to International accounting Standarts. And if yes- why?
      Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

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      • #123
        "you'd be surprised how much the current government can get away with, because it has a massive majority."

        I wouldn't.

        "MPs are part of a national parliament, so obviously they take some part in shaping decisions which affect the whole country, that is what we elect them to do (at least in theory), to represent their local area and its interests in a national parliament."

        So what for do you think we have a Council of Ministers? To represent member states at the EU level. Their democratic accountability as a national responsibility, not an EU one.

        "as for the EP, as stinger said, we all saw just how powerful it was with santer"

        Because you simply ignore that the EP investigated them and forced them out. What else should it have done? As you said yourself, with how much crap a government with a fat Commons majority can get away with...
        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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        • #124
          Any organisation that has to move form 1 base to another is a joke.
          Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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          • #125
            "Any organisation that has to move form 1 base to another is a joke."

            What's that supposed to mean? And what has it got to do with the issue?
            “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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            • #126
              It was just a random anti europe insult.

              edit - the Ep having 2 bases is stupid and wasteful
              Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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              • #127
                "It was just a random anti europe insult."

                You're an anti-EU spambot?
                “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                • #128
                  I'm here to counter the automatic EU is above criticism posts form some people
                  Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                  • #129
                    Above criticism? Certainly not. All I want is some substantiated criticism, not the permanent tabloid drivel.
                    “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                    • #130
                      Its not tabloid drivel. The Telegraph( which you referred to not me) may be many things but it is not a tabloid.

                      Any one who says there are things wrong with the EU is automaticaly labelled anti european and a narrow minded nationalist, but hey you've got all the grown up arguments
                      Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                      • #131
                        The Telegraph is so heavily biased against the EU that it is a tabloid in that regard.

                        "you've got all the grown up arguments"

                        From what I've seen so far here, yes.
                        “Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)

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                        • #132
                          The guardian is heavily in favour of the EU is that a tabloid?
                          Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                          • #133
                            I'm broadly in favour of the EU; I think further integration is something we should embrace wherever possible, because I believe that 15 (soon to be 25) countries can accomplish a great deal more working together than they can separately.

                            However, I definitely think that the EU needs to be made more accountable and more democratic, which I will readily admit that it isn't particularly at the moment (although it is more democratic than some people would have us believe).

                            So my question is as follows: if there were significant reform of the EU that made if more democratic, would those who are currently against it be in favour of it?
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                            • #134
                              I would want route and branch reform and a clear statement of where it was heading but yes I would be in favour of it
                              Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.
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                              • #135
                                OK, good. I just wanted to make sure that you're not one of those "Johnny Foreigner shouldn't be allowed to govern us" types.
                                "Paul Hanson, you should give Gibraltar back to the Spanish" - Paiktis, dramatically over-estimating my influence in diplomatic circles.

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