Fantasy Football Discussion Thread

[Al B. Sure!]

Already discussed that, The Pats were 2 wins better with him than they were without him.

**** the wins. We're looking at his stats! Explain especially the miserable Y/A, a supposed strongpoint of Flutie's

[Al B. Sure!]

Solomwi, look at the lines, he had a high yards per attempt in pretty much all of the games. Passer rating struggles to accurately gage line like 6-20 for 150 and 4 TDs.

This statement is completely false as I have demonstrated by the inclusion of y/a for every game in that season.

[Al B. Sure!]

Maybe Ben is reading too much of this:

http://www.badassoftheweek.com/flutiemagic.html

Doug Flutie was born in 316 BC in Atlantis and was the only son of Cleopatra and God so you know that he's X-treme to the max. Raised by Mongol warriors on the Russian steppes, Flutie honed his skills in horseback archery and precision passing, and it was rumored that he could throw a football while riding at a full gallop and have it explode someone's head accurately from sixty yards away. Despite being only five feet nine inches tall and weighing about one hundred and twenty pounds, Flutie was an expert at slaying Hydras and eluding the stomping feet of pissed-off Storm Giants while taming wild boars, bench pressing well over four times his body weight and performing complex mathematical equations without the use of a calculator.

During his youth, Flutie decided that it was his station in life to become the greatest quarterback to ever live, and he set about not only revolutionizing the entire sport of football but also changing the face of the world and the forever altering the socioeconomic dynamic of our great nation. Join me now in celebrating the timeline of Flutie History.

[Al B. Sure!]

Apparently Flutie founded America when he was in Philly playing my alma mater

July 4th, 1776:
Flutie happens upon a convention while in Philadelphia for a game against the Temple Owls and finds that the colonial revolutionaries are trying to develop a document indicating their desire to secede from the United Kingdom. The Continental Congress is on the verge of giving up when Flutie inspires them with a rousing speech urging them to "Never Give Up", "Push It to the Limit" and "Score a Touchdown for Democracy". The First Continental Congress invites Flutie to assist in their discussions and the Declaration of Independence is the result of his hard work, managerial skills and expert leadership.

He also won the Battle of Gettysburg:

July 2, 1862:
After winning his fifth world title while playing for Natick High, Flutie discovers that the Southern United States have seceded and revolution has fomented in the nation that he had worked so hard to build. Flutie rushes to the call of his country and at the Battle of Gettysburg he leads his troops to victory on the summit of Little Round Top. Flutie later recommends to President Lincoln that he give some sort of address to the troops after the battle. The "four score" in "four score and seven years ago"? Obviously a reference to Flutie's four TD performance against Temple back in '76

That's what you think, Ben? That's where you get your info from?

[Ben Kenobi]

He also had 5 games with 60+ percent pass completion percentage.

What killed him are the three very bad games. When he was good, he was very very good, and when he was bad, he was horrid. That's what happens with a first year starter. You can either develop them, or dump them, and that's what happened with the Pats. He's the greatest we ever had up here, so you have to admit that the talent was there, just the Bears, Pats and Rams failed to develop him.

[Ben Kenobi]

**** the wins. We're looking at his stats! Explain especially the miserable Y/A, a supposed strongpoint of Flutie's

You can't ignore the wins, Albert. Yeah, he had rough games, but he was brilliant otherwise. Brilliant enough to win games, and give the Pats a vertical passing game that they lacked. They were a better team with Flutie, which isn't something that can be said for QBs in their first year starting.

Where am I getting my information? 10 years of watching football in the CFL. Seeing him win 3 Grey cups and 3 MVPs. Seeing him voted as the greatest to ever lace it up here, and that includes Warren Moon, btw. Seeing him leave at 38, for the same reason that Khan weeped, "for there were no more worlds to conquer".

[Al B. Sure!]

He also had 5 games with 60+ percent pass completion percentage.

What killed him are the three very bad games. When he was good, he was very very good, and when he was bad, he was horrid. That's what happens with a first year starter. You can either develop them, or dump them, and that's what happened with the Pats. He's the greatest we ever had up here, so you have to admit that the talent was there, just the Bears, Pats and Rams failed to develop him.

Bull****. If Flutie was so good, why was it that he got beat out of his job by Jeff Garcia?

Jeff Garcia came in and in his 2nd start for the Stampeders set a team record 546 passing yards and 6 TD's in one game! Garcia took over from then on and Flutie went to Toronto.

Flutie couldn't even keep a starting job in the CFL!

As for Garcia...

After Flutie signed as a free-agent with the Toronto Argonauts in 1996, Garcia took over as the Stampeders' starting quarterback. During Garcia's three years as starter, the Stampeders finished with records of 13-5, 10-8, and 12-6.[1]
In 1997, Garcia won the Jeff Nicklin Memorial Trophy, an award given to the Most Outstanding Player in the CFL Western Division. Garcia led the Stampeders to the Western Final in 1996 and to the Western Semi-Final in 1997. In 1998, he led the team to a Grey Cup victory over the Hamilton Tiger-Cats and was named Grey Cup MVP. Garcia's performance included an 80-yard, game-ending drive to set up the game winning field goal on the last play of the game.[2] Garcia was also named as the 1998 CFL All-Star at quarterback.

Interesting. So Garcia took over and won games and broke records, won the Grey Cup, and was all-around dominant.

Garcia catapulted from this success into a backup role on the 49ers and eventually wound up as a pretty solid QB. Why couldn't Flutie do the same?

Oh yeah, because Jeff Garcia was better than Doug Flutie even in the CFL!

Interesting... I had no idea that Doug Flutie got shown up by his backup in the CFL! I mean to have your backup come out and break a team record in his second career start! Got to make you wonder just what the hell was Doug Flutie doing all those years?

[Ben Kenobi]

Bull****. If Flutie was so good, why was it that he got beat out of his job by Jeff Garcia?

Jeff Garcia, you mean the NFL calibre starting quarterback?

Jeff Garcia came in and in his 2nd start for the Stampeders set a team record 546 passing yards and 6 TD's in one game! Garcia took over from then on and Flutie went to Toronto.

And won two Grey Cups and two MVPs. Garcia was good, but Flutie was better.

After Flutie signed as a free-agent with the Toronto Argonauts in 1996

Key words here, Albert. You might want to read. Flutie signed with the Argos and then Garcia came in. Flutie left. More money, bigger market with the Argos. They offered him the first million dollar contract.

Flutie was voted in 2005 as the greatest to play the game up here. That included folks like Moon, who you might have heard. Garcia didn't even merit a footnote.

[Al B. Sure!]

Of course Moon and Garcia aren't the greatest CFL players! As soon as they could, they got the hell out of there and went to the NFL!

Garcia gladly gave up a starting job with two championship wins on the Stampeders to be a backup on the 49ers!

not helping your case here.

[Al B. Sure!]

Jeff Garcia, you mean the NFL calibre starting quarterback?

Is this supposed to be a smart remark? Garcia was/is a much better NFL QB than Flutie. It's not even comparable. Garcia was a 4x Pro Bowler.

[Al B. Sure!]

Key words here, Albert. You might want to read. Flutie signed with the Argos and then Garcia came in. Flutie left. More money, bigger market with the Argos. They offered him the first million dollar contract.

WRONG!

Flutie was rewarded with a reported million-dollar salary with the Calgary Stampeders.

He was already making a million dollars with the Stampeders... until he lost his starting job.


God, can you be any more wrong on everything?!

[Ben Kenobi]

Of course Moon and Garcia aren't the greatest CFL players! As soon as they could, they got the hell out of there and went to the NFL!

Moon was considered number 4.

Garcia was/is a much better NFL QB than Flutie. It's not even comparable. Garcia was a 4x Pro Bowler.

And as I said, Garcia was good, but Flutie was better. When your backup is a 4x pro bowler stateside, that says something, doesn't it?

How big a stretch is it to go from a 4x pro bowler to the 6x pro bowler? Not very.

[Al B. Sure!]

And as I said, Garcia was good, but Flutie was better. When your backup is a 4x pro bowler stateside, that says something, doesn't it?

Umm... one, he wasn't a 4x Pro Bowler til AFTER the CFL... two, he wasn't a backup for long, he quickly took the starting job from Flutie as soon as the Stampeders realized what they had on the bench compared to Flutie... three, in his second career start in the CFL, he passed for 546 yards and 6 TD's, shattering team records and clearly outshining Flutie

Doesn't make Flutie sound so hot, does it?

[Ben Kenobi]

He was already making a million dollars with the Stampeders... until he lost his starting job.

He left to go to the Argos when his contract came up. Then Garcia came in.

[Al B. Sure!]

Okay maybe we need to take a step back...

You claimed that Flutie was the 3rd greatest QB of his generation, ahead of guys like Jim Kelly and John Elway.

Explain. What makes Flutie so good, especially compared to Kelly and Elway?

No playing games. No ignoring when I respond to you. Tell me right now, succinctly, what makes him so good and provide evidence.