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**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 11:28

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

If I look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violen...rotests#Deaths it is incomplete.I am not including deaths caused by the police or the deaths of police officers or ones with unclear attribution.

I get (The person who died is in () )
August 29 (counter protestor)
August 25 (protestor)
August 25 (protestor)
July 5 (counter protestor)
July 4 (protestor)
June 27 (protestor)
June 3 (protestor)
June 2 (protestor)
June 2 (counter protestor)
May 31 (protestor)
May 30 (protestor)
May 30 (protestor)
May 27 (protestor)

It is likely that several more protestors and counter-protestors died due to being killed by the other side (from the ones listed where the attribution is unclear), which will make the overall numbers more even. However, there are a lot more protestors than counter-protestors. And the police have killed a number of protestors as well.

JM

You better count police being murdered. The leftists did that. You don't have a problem with police getting murdered?!

So the first person on that list is a looter. He was shot by the store owner defending his store. That's not a murder. A murder is, for example, shooting someone for saying all lives matter. Did you include that person?

I'm check all that in a bit.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 11:34

A store owner is not a counter-protester. He is someone that shot someone destroying his property. Good grief.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 11:41

May 28th a man died because of arson, not even on your list. I'm disregarding your list. It's ridiculous.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 11:54

Most of the deaths aren't the result of conflicts between rival groups. They can't be classified as such. Some can. Rather it's stuff like a 8 year old being shot through a car because of one of these road blocks.

**Jon Miller** · August 31, 2020, 11:58

I don't count the police killed by the counter-protestor back in May. Nor the protestors killed by police.

The man died of arson, it did not seem that he was a counter-protestor. It seemed adjacent but not easily attributable (the relevant numbers are deaths of counter protestors by protestors and of protestors by counter protestors) to the conflict between groups. I agree that his death was caused by the protestors. That wasn't what I was counting.

The May 27 death attribution depends on how the store owner was defending his property whether it is relevant or adjacent, I agree. Due to the language and response I took it to be a protestor/counter-protestor interaction but erring on the side of caution would be not to include it.

JM

**Jon Miller** · August 31, 2020, 11:59

Originally posted by Kidicious View Post

Most of the deaths aren't the result of conflicts between rival groups. They can't be classified as such. Some can. Rather it's stuff like a 8 year old being shot through a car because of one of these road blocks.

I agree, a lot of the deaths are adjacent. And are a reason why there shouldn't be conflict between groups and the groups should not be armed.

JM
(the deaths of police and the deaths caused by police are also adjacent)

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 12:24

What needs to happen is the police stop all this, but it's the Democrats that are hesitant to allow them to stop it. So I have no problem with people defending their property and I support castle doctrine. Many of those deaths are the result of inaction. And I'll include Republicans too because now I remember that the Gov of Georgia only sent the Gaurd to Atlanta after an 8 yr old was shot.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 12:28

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

I don't count the police killed by the counter-protestor back in May. Nor the protestors killed by police.

The man died of arson, it did not seem that he was a counter-protestor. It seemed adjacent but not easily attributable (the relevant numbers are deaths of counter protestors by protestors and of protestors by counter protestors) to the conflict between groups. I agree that his death was caused by the protestors. That wasn't what I was counting.

The May 27 death attribution depends on how the store owner was defending his property whether it is relevant or adjacent, I agree. Due to the language and response I took it to be a protestor/counter-protestor interaction but erring on the side of caution would be not to include it.

JM

Executions of cops should only be compared to executions of black men or leftist groups. The left executes police, and that definitely needs to be counted.

**-Jrabbit** · August 31, 2020, 12:30

Why are you two trying to adjudicate conflicting details? It's ridiculous. Kid will reject any evidence he finds inconvenient, and he will continue to suggest that his own copy-and-paste scary stories prove his fascist point.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 12:35

We'll take being against setting up road blocks and then shooting up cars killing 8 yr olds. If you don't take a stand on that we'll take it. We'll take law and order. You want to call that fascist go ahead. I'll keep laughing.

**Jon Miller** · August 31, 2020, 12:41

I was sorta hoping we were coming to an agreement that protests and demonstrations and counter-protests should not be armed.

JM

**Dinner** · August 31, 2020, 14:05

That would be nice but as Antifa routinely is armed and just murdered someone in cold blood it is unlikely. Not to mention there is the whole constitutional rights issue and that many states make it legal to open carry as well as to concealed carry (with permit).

I note that the guy In Portland wearing the shirt with the blue live matter patch on it did have pepper spray but pepper spray didn’t work against an armed felon illegally carrying a gun. At this point the far left wing extremists are literally executing people on the streets for no reason so it is probably best to stay armed.

There is even video of Antifa black bloc terrorists in Portland clapping and cheering, like middle eastern barbarians after hearing about 9/11, when they learned one of their own just murdered a man for walking down the sidewalk.

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 14:08

Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post

I was sorta hoping we were coming to an agreement that protests and demonstrations and counter-protests should not be armed.

JM

Well we're talking about rioters. They are stopping traffic and harassing people. They literally call you racist or nazi and then they beat you to death, or nearly to death. If you're defending property then I have no problem with you being armed. But if you're displaying arms to threaten people then you are likely a terrorist.

That being said, Kyle acted in self-defense. He was attacked. So I don't agree with even bringing up the issue of having arms.

**Jon Miller** · August 31, 2020, 14:30

Originally posted by Dinner View Post

Not to mention there is the whole constitutional rights issue and that many states make it legal to open carry as well as to concealed carry (with permit).

I agree that there is a consittituional right to bear arms, and that in the given states (but not every state) carrying arms at protests is legal. But should it be? States (not the federal government) can place restrictions, such as on armed protestors (and counter-protestors and demonstrators) and I think this year we have seen that they should.

California placed limits during the time of Reagan.

JM

**Kidlicious** · August 31, 2020, 14:40

Why are we talking about people having weapons when the government is letting leftists destroy property and harass people?

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