Who do you tip to win the US presidential election

[Kidlicious]

Self defense, which I don’t think is supported based on the circumstances, would only be evidence against intentional homicide and possibly against the reckless homicide.

however in similar situations other open carrying counter protestors did not shoot and kill Joseph so I think self defense is not a good defense against Joseph either

jm

Half the country disagrees with you. That's your jury.

And we are the sane ones.

[Jon Miller]

Half the country thinks he is being charged with premeditated murder and does not understand the law or morality.

it is a problem we are facing now

JM

[Jon Miller]

We are just lucky that there were not several more protestors ( or counter protestors ) shot and killed by Kyle during his ‘self defense’.

the reckless endangerment is clear. Anyone using a gun in such a situation even in self defense is recklessly endangering lives which is why no one bit police and guard should be in that situation with a gun ( and hopefully training and orders ).

jm

[Kidlicious]

Protesters?

You're full of it. There is no point in talking to you.

Sane people will not send that boy to prison. Atleast half the jury will be sane people.

[Kidlicious]

Hill-Harris poll shows Trump up 9 with black voters amid convention.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/514174-poll-trump-approval-rises-among-black-hispanic-voters

[Dinner]

We are just lucky that there were not several more protestors ( or counter protestors ) shot and killed by Kyle during his ‘self defense’.

the reckless endangerment is clear. Anyone using a gun in such a situation even in self defense is recklessly endangering lives which is why no one bit police and guard should be in that situation with a gun ( and hopefully training and orders ).

jm

Protesters do not violently attack people or fire guns. Rioters, criminals, and thugs do.

[Dinner]

The polls are very tight now and we all need to remember that this problem still remains just like in 2016. The polls just do not know how to account for many Trump voters especially the shy ones who avoid surveys or who just are not truthful during surveys. As a result many of the polls are going to be off just like in 2016.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rs/ar-BB18suSb

[Dinner]

WRT possession there does indeed seem an exception written into the law which very well could apply.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wh...gs/ar-BB18pcUS

I am willing to bet money this guy walks on the heart of this matter (I.E. the main charges).

[-Jrabbit]

Protesters do not violently attack people or fire guns. Rioters, criminals, and thugs do.

Yet Rittenhouse fired a gun, killing 2 people. So is he a rioter, a criminal, or a thug?

[Dinner]

Half the country thinks he is being charged with premeditated murder and does not understand the law or morality.

it is a problem we are facing now

JM

WRT morality that part is perfectly clear. If you are violently attacked and reasonably fear for you life then you have a god given right to defend yourself as well as a legal right. I defy anyone to claim if they were in a similar situation that they would not also be in reasonable fear of their life.

[Jon Miller]

The polls are very tight now and we all need to remember that this problem still remains just like in 2016. The polls just do not know how to account for many Trump voters especially the shy ones who avoid surveys or who just are not truthful during surveys. As a result many of the polls are going to be off just like in 2016.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...rs/ar-BB18suSb

The polls were not unusually off in 2016. People who followed the polls more, like 538, got the election basically right.

Polls have also corrected for the little error they did have in 2016 by including education.

JM

[Jon Miller]

WRT morality that part is perfectly clear. If you are violently attacked and reasonably fear for you life then you have a god given right to defend yourself as well as a legal right. I defy anyone to claim if they were in a similar situation that they would not also be in reasonable fear of their life.

Imagine that the Cubs and the White Sox were playing each other in the World Series. And imagine that in the previous 4 years that there has been a lot of bad blood between both the fans and the teams.

Then both sets of fans are out after a game, one because they are happy and the other because they lost.

Yes, someone might get hurt. And you could argue 'self defense'. But if there were a lot of other people around, you can start shooting in self defense, even if you would be hurt. It would be reckless endangerment.

I will go further. Most people didn't get beat. Most people who got beat, didn't get beat bad. Basically no one has died on the counter-protestor side. He was not in life threatening danger and definitely not in the place (or with the authority) to endanger the lives of many others and not just the antagonistic Joseph (who no one else had shot). And then Anthony (if living)/Gaige could argue that they were just acting in self-defense due to gun shots being fired towards their group and Joseph being murdered. This is what Gaige meant when he said that he should have shot... because the argument that seems to be coming out is that self-defense is right, in which case as soon as Kyle started shooting, everyone who were packing on the protestor side should have started shooting first.

Thinking about the case of crazy fans really clarifies things about the actions of Kyle and whether they were reasonable in self defense or moral.

This is why open carry (or concealed carry) generally have no place firing in 'self-defense' outside of their homes or (maybe) during something like a car-jacking, because often it is reckless endangerment. And police are not able to just start shooting either, good police and taught to not fire in case where they could be hitting bystandars/etc.

JM
(of course, it seems that there police are being trained wrong recently)
(there have always been problems with racist police, but I think the militarization is a new problem)

[Dinner]

Wisconsin has Trump with a two point lead while Minnesota has Trump and Biden dead even. MN has’t gone red in 52 years. Democrats supporting riots is killing them all over especially in the swing states. Polls universally seem to undercount trump support in 202 just like in 2016 as I linked before.

Democrats are imploding because of their own stupidity. Currently 51% of likely voters say they will vote for Trump.

[Egbert]

Is it correct that Biden was recently far ahead in the polls but now Trump and Biden are now very roughly even n the polls?

[Kidlicious]

Imagine that the Cubs and the White Sox were playing each other in the World Series. And imagine that in the previous 4 years that there has been a lot of bad blood between both the fans and the teams.

Then both sets of fans are out after a game, one because they are happy and the other because they lost.

Yes, someone might get hurt. And you could argue 'self defense'. But if there were a lot of other people around, you can start shooting in self defense, even if you would be hurt. It would be reckless endangerment.

I will go further. Most people didn't get beat. Most people who got beat, didn't get beat bad. Basically no one has died on the counter-protestor side. He was not in life threatening danger and definitely not in the place (or with the authority) to endanger the lives of many others and not just the antagonistic Joseph (who no one else had shot). And then Anthony (if living)/Gaige could argue that they were just acting in self-defense due to gun shots being fired towards their group and Joseph being murdered. This is what Gaige meant when he said that he should have shot... because the argument that seems to be coming out is that self-defense is right, in which case as soon as Kyle started shooting, everyone who were packing on the protestor side should have started shooting first.

Thinking about the case of crazy fans really clarifies things about the actions of Kyle and whether they were reasonable in self defense or moral.

This is why open carry (or concealed carry) generally have no place firing in 'self-defense' outside of their homes or (maybe) during something like a car-jacking, because often it is reckless endangerment. And police are not able to just start shooting either, good police and taught to not fire in case where they could be hitting bystandars/etc.

JM
(of course, it seems that there police are being trained wrong recently)
(there have always been problems with racist police, but I think the militarization is a new problem)

This is all just a bunch of nonsense. He was protecting property, which the thugs were destroying and they attacked him.

[-Jrabbit]

Not his property. Your easy acceptance of the idea that property crimes are punishable by death is downright sick.

[Kidlicious]

You're so ridiculous.

[Jon Miller]

Wisconsin has Trump with a two point lead while Minnesota has Trump and Biden dead even. MN has’t gone red in 52 years. Democrats supporting riots is killing them all over especially in the swing states. Polls universally seem to undercount trump support in 202 just like in 2016 as I linked before.

Democrats are imploding because of their own stupidity. Currently 51% of likely voters say they will vote for Trump.

What polls are these? Out of the most recent 20 there was one with Trump with a lead from Trafalgar (it had Trump + 1 in Wisconsin). They are not rated highly. Minnesota was tied under Trafalgar. Polls after by other groups do not show this support. Trafalgar also had Michigan at Trump +1.

No polls that either the Economist or 538 know about show 51% of likely voters say they will vote for Trump. The highest they have seen is 46-47%.

JM