Oy Poor Roy Moore

[Proteus_MST]

Indeed. So is evidentiary. Altering the signature renders the whole thing moot. All we have is her word that she only altered it so far and no further.

Well, you can see for yourself (or example in the link in my last posting, which also cntains a pic) that the part she said she added (the date and location) are written in a totally different style from the rest of the entry

[Berzerker]

Hum. Odd that. Republicans supported the VRA act, the 13th and 14th amendments while the party of slavery would have you believe that this was not so.

Do you have a comprehensive list of conservatives in 1960? How do you determine who is and who isn't conservative? Is Nixon a conservative?

The Republicans back then were 'liberal' compared to the conservatives, they represented far more immigrants and that leads to liberalism, inclusion, breaking down racial barriers and systemic racism, etc... and they stayed that way until FDR took advantage of the bad economy and out-liberaled them. Nixon wasn't conservative, Goldwater and Strom Thurmond were. Strom is a good example of what happened, he was a Democrat, got pissed off and led the Dixiecrat rebellion and later became a Republican - but conservative all the way.

She has a picture of Roy Moore signing her yearbook, or she has a photo of the yearbook which she forged? If the latter, then that's only substantiation that someone signed her yearbook.

She has the actual yearbook with an expert's analysis - the blessing and signature were Moore's, the note regarding the location was not, it was hers. Thats substantiation with pics.

So she forged the signature. All we have to go on, the part that's actually in the same ink as the rest of the signature is that it was signed by a Ray or a Roy. That's it. Adding "Moore" to the signature renders the entire thing a forgery and inadmissible.

But you don't care about that do you?

The expert compared the signature to Moore's writing. Did she add "Moore DA" and the location? Thats fine, she was identifying who wrote the message. My problem is why she would need to remind herself of the man who sexually assaulted her a year or two earlier, maybe that wasn't the reason for her note.

I didn't support Trump. I certainly support Justice Moore. All these stunts by the Dims simply confirm for me that Justice Roy Moore is a honorable man and that's why the Dims are smearing him to try to keep him out of office.

Aren't his victims mostly Republicans? He's a theocrat, but it aint Jesus he follows. I imagine Jesus would react quite negatively to Moore and his supporters hiding behind him. "Sure Roy, you want to 'date' girls less than half your age? You have my blessing! And be sure to tell everyone I sent you."

[Berzerker]

In an interview with Good Morning America on Friday, Nelson, one of the multiple women who have accused the Alabama Republican of sexual misconduct, acknowledged that she had made an addition to Moore’s inscription in her high school yearbook in 1977 — when she was 16 and he was in his 30s.

Moore’s message, written in cursive: “To a sweeter more beautiful girl I could not say Merry Christmas. Christmas 1977. Love, Roy Moore.”

Her addition: “12-22-77 Olde Hickory House”

It is not clear whether Moore or Nelson wrote “D.A.” after Moore’s signature.

Oh I get it now, the yearbook information came before he 'dated' her, thats why she added information about Roy to remember who he was. He was preying on you, honey. Hell, he was scoping out his future wife when she was 15...

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, you can see for yourself (or example in the link in my last posting, which also cntains a pic) that the part she said she added (the date and location) are written in a totally different style from the rest of the entry

Indeed. But we only have her word that any of it was signed by Moore. In forging it she's destroyed her claim. Is there a picture of Moore signing her yearbook? No.

[Ben Kenobi]

The Republicans back then were 'liberal' compared to the conservatives

So where is this comprehensive list of conservatives I keep hearing about? Can I look up a congressman from the time and see the C in front of their name? Or is it mere conjecture?

they represented far more immigrants and that leads to liberalism, inclusion, breaking down racial barriers and systemic racism

Some did. Some didn't. Some democrats did and some didn't. That is the truth. Arguing that republicans 'shifted' ignores the evidence that Republican conservatives did not and have never supported slavery.

I can quote Oliver Wendell Holmes, who you'd consider a liberal citing evidence that disabled people ought to be sterilized. Liberalism in the 20's and 30s favored Jim Crow and segregation. Conservatives argued in the common humanity. The reason being is that conservatives fell back on their faith including the only Catholic supreme court justice at the time who rejected Buck vs Bell. You'd consider him an arch-conservative.

and they stayed that way until FDR took advantage of the bad economy and out-liberaled them. Nixon wasn't conservative, Goldwater and Strom Thurmond were. Strom is a good example of what happened, he was a Democrat, got pissed off and led the Dixiecrat rebellion and later became a Republican - but conservative all the way.

Then did Goldwater support slavery? You can't draw a line so fine that it puts Nixon on one side and Goldwater on the other, despite both being nominees of the Republican party for the presidency in the 60s.

If Goldwater is a conservative and didn't support slavery then my point stands.

[Ben Kenobi]

She has the actual yearbook with an expert's analysis - the blessing and signature were Moore's, the note regarding the location was not, it was hers. Thats substantiation with pics.

What actual yearbook? The yearbook that she claims is hers and altered at some future date? As soon as she altered it, it's evidentiary value goes down to nil. Look at it like a baseball signature. If I had a ball signed by Babe Ruth and I altered it would it be worth as much as a ball without the alterations? No. And why not? Because if you alter the signature in any way it can no longer be reliably distinguished from a forgery.

She has motivation to lie about this. Does she have a photo of Roy Moore signing her yearbook? No. Is there a reliable chain to suggest that Roy Moore was there? Also no. Would I pay any money for it on Pawn Stars? Nope. And why not? Because there's too much going on in the background that would make me leery of it.

The expert compared the signature to Moore's writing. Did she add "Moore DA" and the location?

She only admitted that she added that after someone called her out on her lie that Moore signed the entire thing. It was pointed out to her at the time that Roy Moore was *never* the district attorney. Why would she add something that's false that never actually happened to the signature?

Given that her original claim that Moore signed the entire thing and then changing her story, after her story didn't hold water, I don't think we can believe anything she says about the signature other than that someone named Roy signed it. Perhaps it was Roy Orbison.

Aren't his victims mostly Republicans? He's a theocrat, but it aint Jesus he follows. I imagine Jesus would react quite negatively to Moore and his supporters hiding behind him. "Sure Roy, you want to 'date' girls less than half your age? You have my blessing! And be sure to tell everyone I sent you."

I imagine that those who support abortion and invoke the name of Jesus Christ would have something to answer for.

[Berzerker]

Indeed. But we only have her word that any of it was signed by Moore. In forging it she's destroyed her claim. Is there a picture of Moore signing her yearbook? No.

We have the word of a handwriting expert... and she didn't forge anything, she never claimed Moore wrote down the date and location, just a blessing with his John Hancock - and the expert agrees that was his writing.

So where is this comprehensive list of conservatives I keep hearing about? Can I look up a congressman from the time and see the C in front of their name? Or is it mere conjecture?

You didn't hear it from me and I'm not interested in compiling a list... But look for a "D" by their name and odds are they were conservative. Remember, the party of slavery? When did the southern conservatives responsible for slavery become liberals?

Some did. Some didn't. Some democrats did and some didn't. That is the truth. Arguing that republicans 'shifted' ignores the evidence that Republican conservatives did not and have never supported slavery.

The Republicans were anti-slavery, thats how they became the Republicans. And they were more liberal than their southern conservative pro-slavery counterparts.

Liberalism in the 20's and 30s favored Jim Crow and segregation. Conservatives argued in the common humanity.

Yeah, the KKK were liberals. Strom Thurmond too, that damn liberal.

Then did Goldwater support slavery? You can't draw a line so fine that it puts Nixon on one side and Goldwater on the other, despite both being nominees of the Republican party for the presidency in the 60s.

If Goldwater is a conservative and didn't support slavery then my point stands.

Nobody said Goldwater supported slavery, your point is a straw man.

[Kidlicious]

[QUOTE] But the issue isn't the value of the yearbook. It's the value of the accusor, which is zero now.

[rah]

Only for those that were going to blindly believe anyway. As this thread aptly shows.
Party before country.

[Kidlicious]

I really wasn't talking to you. Anyone who thinks a fraud is credible is a fraud.

[Berzerker]

hehe, you think Moore's credible

[Proteus_MST]

... But the issue isn't the value of the yearbook. It's the value of the accusor, which is zero now.

Quite funny, how much value has the word of Trump in your eyes now?
Considering that even you don't dispute that Trump has been known as a liar in his past.

This would mean that Trumps word should have a value of zero to you know

[Proteus_MST]

Speaking of Trumps words:
Trump secretly thinks that Moore is a Pervert ... doesn't stop him from wanting him in the senate
...
Why?
Trumps Tweet from 2012:

Pervert alert. @RepWeiner is back on twitter. All girls under the age of 18, block him immediately.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...76897305026560

So, for Trump someone who (as an adult person) dates/dated girls under 18 is a pervert -> Moore is a pervert in Trumps eyes

[Berzerker]

cant argue with that logic

[Kidlicious]

Quite funny, how much value has the word of Trump in your eyes now?
Considering that even you don't dispute that Trump has been known as a liar in his past.

This would mean that Trumps word should have a value of zero to you know

Trump makes accusations sometimes that aren't true. That has nothing to do with this.