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I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View PostTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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"We conclude that plaintiffs are likely to succeed on their claim that the rescission of DACA -- at least as justified on this record -- is arbitrary, capricious, or otherwise not in accordance with law," reads the opinion from Judge Kim McLane Wardlaw, an appointee of President Bill Clinton.A federal appeals court on Thursday upheld a ruling blocking the Trump administration from ending the Obama-era program that protects young undocumented immigrants who came to the United States as children from being deported – likely setting up a Supreme Court fight.
I guess the premise is that the president has to have a good reason for issuing an executive order?
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I haven't read the latest ruling but previous claims are that Trump is biased or has some animus, which is no doubt true. Of course, Obama also was biased. It may revolve around some procedural argument or, then again, it might just be partisan hackery.
Either way rule by executive order is not a great idea even if each side loves it when their sides does it and hates it when the other side does it. Just for logical consistency's sake I truly expect the courts to ultimately rule that whatever can be created via executive fiat can equally be undone by executive fiat. It is not like we are talking about acts of Congress here.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Seems to me like the counterargument on the ground s of "good reason" is a good one.
There seems to be no good reason to just end DACA for those who are currently part of the program.
After all the majority of them seems to be useful members of the US society, who are not under criminal investigation ... who are jobs and/or are studying.
The only reason for ending it for everyone (and not only preventing new applicants for coming under DACA) seems to lie in Trumps racismTamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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You are inserting yourself and your desires into something which has zero to do that. Executive orders are just that and nothing more and there is nothing written which says they have to be good or have any reason what so ever. Congress never passed a law authorizing DACA, it was just an EO signed by Obama, so it stands to reason it can be undone by an EO.
it really does seem some judges just don't like to see DACA eliminated ergo they are trying to invent invalid reasons to block it. That will rightly get struck down by the SCotUS.
If Dems want something like DACA then they need to pass a law through Congress and have it signed by the President. You will notice they have never done that not even during 2008-2010 when they controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency. So this amounts to little more than sour grapes which are not valid legal defenses.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Dinner View PostYou are inserting yourself and your desires into something which has zero to do that. ...
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)
Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting itLast edited by Proteus_MST; November 9, 2018, 11:16.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
I wouldn't call it "my desires" ... rather my belief for fairness and morals.
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)
Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting itI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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This is going to be big and this is why GMO is going to be so key to feeding the world in the future. Cotton is one of the world's most widely produced cash crops and for every pound of cotton lint grown there are 1.5 pounds of cotton seeds that go with it. Those seeds would be highly nutritious but cotton also produces it's on pesticide in order to protect the seeds from insects. That natural pesticide makes cotton seeds inedible.
Now a new genetically modified cotton plant has been produced in the U.S. with the poison removed from both the seeds and leaves. What does this mean?
It means farmers can now not only grow cotton for its lint but they will now also be able to harvest highly nutritious seeds while the leaves (which used to just get plowed under due to the fact that they were poisonous to livestock) can now be used as fodder for livestock. It used to be just the fibers were useful but now farmers will get their regular crop of cotton fiber plus the seeds as a food and oil crop plus fodder for livestock all in the same fields.
That is a big increase in agricultural productivity for one of the world's most widely grown crops.Last edited by Dinner; November 9, 2018, 11:58.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
If you are going to claim to hold your opinion on moral grounds don't also state that people are against DACA because of racism, because then you are saying that you don't really have morals.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
I don't see any other reason than racism for stopping DACA for existing recipientsI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
I don't see any other reason than racism for stopping DACA for existing recipients
Then you get into the procedural arguments about any president having absolute power to repeal any executive order for any reason he so pleases and courts legally have no say in the matter, at all, other than to review them for constitutionality. I don't see how anyone can argue with that last part so, of course, Trump has the power to end it via EO if Obama ever had the power to create it via EO.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
I wouldn't call it "my desires" ... rather my belief for fairness and morals.
Those protected by DACA (and now possibly getting expulsed) were not sesponsible for their situation ... neither did they, themselves decide to the USA (that was done by their parents), nor did they (as a group) do anything that lets it appear valid grounds to revoke their protection again. They are just a playing ball in the hands of as man-baby with an oversized Ego who, for inexplicable reasons, became PotUS.
Fact is that Donnies actions against DACA will create a wave of distrust of Hispanics against the US government (after all those in DACA freely gave their addresses/names away to the government in hope, now getting somehow legally recvognized and not having to stay in hiding anymore ... hopes that Trump repeatedly tries to shatter with no good reason at all (except for appeasing the racists among his fans and making a boogey man out of the Latinos)
Whether or not Donnies revoking of DACA via EO is correct ... dunno ... maybe you are right and it is correct, on procedural grounds ... or maybe the reasoning in the article spambot quoted is right and the attempts to stop Donnie from revoking DACA will prevail over Trumps attempts in fighting it
Trying to devine the Executive's motivations in his inner most heart of hearts is a stupid and fruitless endeavor which is not going to stand up in court. As long as the executive can state an even semi-plausable excuse which does not violate the constitution then that is the ONLY constitutional review proper for the courts to do, period.Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.
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While normally I would agree that any EO can be overturned by another EO, I look at this one as a promise made to these people that was made in good faith. I would have no problem with going with no new entries into the program. But I would like to think this country is better than yanking the rug out from these people that have done nothing wrong and their being here was not of their choice. Trumps action comes off as just mean and petty like a lot of his decisions. It may energize his base but it makes the entire country look like him.It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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