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Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
Yeah, sure, over the whole length of more than 3000 km, with its varied terrain
Also the funds in the federal budget are earmarked when they get approved by the congress ... and none of the funds destined for the military was earmarked as being used for a border wall between the USA and Mexico
Also IIRC Trump promised that Mexico would pay for the wall ...
well, I guess as soon as Trump does some negotiation magic and Mexico has transferred the funds, work on the border wall can begin.
Shouldn't be much more difficult than to win trade wars, or to present a healthcare system that costs less and yet covers more US citizens than Obamacare didI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
The funds have been earmarked for national defense. That's what the wall is for.
The USA are not under attack, they are at peace with their southern neighbor.
Even the so called invasion force turned out to be just a bunch of refugees/asylum seekers
No need to destroy natural habitats for rare and endangered species just for ParanoiaTamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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Barbed wire fence, cost per linear foot: approx. $1.50
Concrete block wall, six feet tall, cost per linear foot: approx. $57
Average cost to install a concrete block wall is about $61 per foot (350 feet long x 6 feet tall block wall - partial DIY). Find here detailed information about block wall costs.
It would appear that a wall is roughly 40 times more expensive than a barbed wire fence, let alone simply leaving barbed wire at the border, and this is just for a measly six foot tall wall that any healthy mexican adult could presumably climb over.
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Originally posted by spambot View PostBarbed wire fence, cost per linear foot: approx. $1.50
https://www.agriculture.com/news/liv...year_3-ar22518
Concrete block wall, six feet tall, cost per linear foot: approx. $57
Average cost to install a concrete block wall is about $61 per foot (350 feet long x 6 feet tall block wall - partial DIY). Find here detailed information about block wall costs.
It would appear that a wall is roughly 40 times more expensive than a barbed wire fence, let alone simply leaving barbed wire at the border, and this is just for a measly six foot tall wall that any healthy mexican adult could presumably climb over.Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"
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Originally posted by spambot View PostBarbed wire fence, cost per linear foot: approx. $1.50
Concrete block wall, six feet tall, cost per linear foot: approx. $57
Average cost to install a concrete block wall is about $61 per foot (350 feet long x 6 feet tall block wall - partial DIY). Find here detailed information about block wall costs.
It would appear that a wall is roughly 40 times more expensive than a barbed wire fence, let alone simply leaving barbed wire at the border, and this is just for a measly six foot tall wall that any healthy mexican adult could presumably climb over.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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Wow. You are even taking vocabulary lessons from Trump.“It is no use trying to 'see through' first principles. If you see through everything, then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To 'see through' all things is the same as not to see.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man
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Didn't realize Mexico was populated entirely by young, college-educated, urban women.Click here if you're having trouble sleeping.
"We confess our little faults to persuade people that we have no large ones." - François de La Rochefoucauld
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Originally posted by Kidicious View PostWhen asked how she plans to pay for Medicare for all Ocasio-Cortez just keeps saying that it's more affordable so she doesn't understand the question.
On the other hand, we are already paying for it. There could be a tax equal 3/4 of whatever you + employer currently pay on health care. You can choose to keep your current healthcare (where they then return 5/8 of what you currently pay to your current healthcare provider) or cancel your current healthcare (in which case you get Medicare for all) and keep the remaining 1/4 for yourself.
From the 1/8 'extra tax' those who are not currently funded by medicare/medicaid/healthcare can be funded.
The amount per month for health insurance is 300-500 per person (might get greater for old people). Let's pick 400. So we would implement a new tax (per person) of Min(250,250/4*(Income/Poverty Income)). You would have an option of having Medicare or picking a private insurance (where the insurance company would get 200 USD, but could charge you any amount you are willing to pay above that). We would get rid of the current health insurance subsidy.
This would be an effective tax on private health insurance to pay for health insurance for everyone. It would also result in an effective increase in the disposable income for most people in the middle and working classes.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Alternatively, currently most employers pay on average 1/2 of the health insurance costs because of tax advantage. Just make it so that that payment is made to the government instead of the health insurance companies and then the health insurance companies take 3/8 from the government (if the employee has a health plan). Then the government offers MedicareForAll at the cost of 100 USD for anyone.
JMJon Miller-
I AM.CANADIAN
GENERATION 35: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation. Social experiment.
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Originally posted by Jon Miller View Post
Republicans don't pay for anything, why should Democrats?
On the other hand, we are already paying for it. There could be a tax equal 3/4 of whatever you + employer currently pay on health care. You can choose to keep your current healthcare (where they then return 5/8 of what you currently pay to your current healthcare provider) or cancel your current healthcare (in which case you get Medicare for all) and keep the remaining 1/4 for yourself.
From the 1/8 'extra tax' those who are not currently funded by medicare/medicaid/healthcare can be funded.
The amount per month for health insurance is 300-500 per person (might get greater for old people). Let's pick 400. So we would implement a new tax (per person) of Min(250,250/4*(Income/Poverty Income)). You would have an option of having Medicare or picking a private insurance (where the insurance company would get 200 USD, but could charge you any amount you are willing to pay above that). We would get rid of the current health insurance subsidy.
This would be an effective tax on private health insurance to pay for health insurance for everyone. It would also result in an effective increase in the disposable income for most people in the middle and working classes.
JM
The difference between that and Trump saying that Mexico is going to pay for the wall is that that's an actual way to pay for the wall, although not likely.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
- Justice Brett Kavanaugh
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