Okay, what can we realistically expect from a Trump presidency?

[Kidlicious]

are there really many native born amercians who lack birth certificates?

I doubt it. A birth certificate makes you a citizen. Why wouldn't parents get a birth certificate?

[rah]

They get lost, they get burnt in fires.
Many that lose them don't make the effort to replace them until they have to for a legal reason, which means for some there is current need.
Some parents have their kid's BC but then when they die they get forgotten.

A buddy lost his in a fire. It took him a few months to get a replacement. If he hadn't been getting a passport, he probably wouldn't have rushed to do it.

[Jon Miller]

Do they lack the ID because they choose not to get one or because they can't. Lumping two different groups of folks together really doesn't do much to advance your argument. I knew a few people who lacked ID. It had nothing to do with them not being able to get it but choosing not to get it done.

Edit, just checked through the source. The source makes no attempt to ask the question, "would you be able to obtain this information in a day's time?"

I know from experience (That of my sibling) that getting the document took months and was only possible because my sibling was not estranged from our mom.

JM

[Jon Miller]

I doubt it. A birth certificate makes you a citizen. Why wouldn't parents get a birth certificate?

Often parents get it and keep it and often parents and children are estranged. Also, people move and may have an unsettled part of life. Then there are fires/theft/etc.

But no, a birth certificate does not make you a citizen. Some people are just anti-government and do not get birth certificates but are still citizens.

I have actually lost my birth certificate twice (well, needed new copies for my international moves). However, becuase I was not adopted and have my other peices of ID and so on, it was relatively easy to reacquire (a couple of weeks). By the way, the US is not the only country where a birth certificate can be difficult. South Africa can take over 12 months.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

I know from experience (That of my sibling) that getting the document took months and was only possible because my sibling was not estranged from our mom.

Passport takes awhile, but that was the case for me too. What document are you talking about? Birth certificate? Again - that does nothing to refute my point. Yes, it might take awhile, but that is different from not being able to get it.

[Ellestar]

http://www.brennancenter.org/sites/d...file_39242.pdf

25% of African-Americans of voting age lack a photo-ID. Over 10% of voting age Americans lack proof of citizenship (in their name).

JM

What a barbaric country

[Jon Miller]

Birth Certificate.

And if my sibling and our mom had been estranged, I am not sure if it would have been possible. Especially not with a reasonable amount of effort/time/money.

My response was to cockney who said that people should have or be able to get proof of citizenship in a timely manner. This is just not true for many people. Even people with money and support of family (and who are not minorities) can still have it takes months.

JM

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Famous US bureaucracy.

Over here, it's usually the same day, if not you get an appointment in a few day/or agree that they send it over, which is also a week or less.

It actually takes about quarter of an hour to make an official copy and put it into mail (would be perhaps five min per case, if you have a stack for the day).

[Jon Miller]

As I said, for me it is about a week to get it in the mail (probably same day in person, but that is a distant location). However, it doesn't work like that for everyone.

JM

[onodera]

Well, I guess the sensible move would be to make some kind of a mandatory national ID and force everyone to get one in time for the 2020 census. As a legal alien I would have to carry my green card with me, but if I were an illegal alien there'd be nothing that set me apart from a legal citizen? That sounds bizarre.

[Jon Miller]

The mandatory national ID would be fought tooth and nail by the right wing crazies.

JM
(US politics can sometimes be complicated.)

[giblets]

Americans are way to paranoid and distrustful of the government to take that well

[Elok]

There are people who think supermarket scanners are the mark of the beast. A simple national ID would be out of the question. It's better to rely on flimsy, easily lost, destroyed or faked bits of blue paper with our SS numbers on them.

[Kidlicious]

Often parents get it and keep it and often parents and children are estranged. Also, people move and may have an unsettled part of life. Then there are fires/theft/etc.

But no, a birth certificate does not make you a citizen. Some people are just anti-government and do not get birth certificates but are still citizens.

I have actually lost my birth certificate twice (well, needed new copies for my international moves). However, becuase I was not adopted and have my other peices of ID and so on, it was relatively easy to reacquire (a couple of weeks). By the way, the US is not the only country where a birth certificate can be difficult. South Africa can take over 12 months.

JM

I'm sure you know that people go to court to determine if they are legal citizens. Everything is going to be done so that citizens are not deported just as it is now. I'm sure more people will be deported because he will want to get reelected, but it's not going to be anywhere near 12 million people.

[Grandpa Troll]

In all fairness, this election was closer than the margin of error statistically. That's always going to be a problem.
And I personally believe a lot of people didn't want to admit they were going to vote for Trump.
They didn't want to be labeled as stupid white trash.

rah, I am not in 100 % agreement with what Donald Trump said or did, however as an American and an American veteran and a Vietnam era citizen, I have zero tolerance for Traitors, Hillary is one of two Traitor B!@tche$ I can think of in our History who have been an affront to the America I love!

I voted more for Trump as a vote against Hillary and what she represents to me and my vision of America, I voted for Trump as a hope to get away from America becoming a country of Socialism, I voted against Hillary and for Trump because I see Donald Trump as a hope for a better America.

I didnt wave Trumps name here because I dont intend to argue with people here at Apolyton, you know I was wrong in speaking against Apolyton but certainly dont want to argue with people here who choose to benefit temporarily from handouts, for allowing people who have not put into the pot to draw from it, for people who are not citizens, naturally, to decide the future course of America. I chose Trump over Hillary because I want America to become more independant upon its own then selling out by opening borders for whomever.

Just my one vote for America I hope to see restored.

This would not have happened with that POS Hillary.

Gramps